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SCIENTISTS PUZZLED BECAUSE JAMES WEBB IS SEEING STUFF THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. "THE MODELS JUST DON'T PREDICT THIS..."
The Byte ^ | 08/30/2022 | MAGGIE HARRISON

Posted on 08/30/2022 3:45:27 PM PDT by aimhigh

Over the past several weeks, NASA's ultra-powerful James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has allowed humankind some unprecedented glimpses into the farthest reaches of our universe. And unsurprisingly, some of these dazzling new observations have raised more questions than they've answered.

For a long time, for instance, scientists believed the universe's earliest, oldest galaxies to be small, slightly chaotic, and misshapen systems. But according to the Washington Post, JWST-captured imagery has revealed those galaxies to be shockingly massive, not to mention balanced and well-formed — a finding that challenges, and will likely rewrite, long-held understandings about the origins of our universe.

"The models just don't predict this," Garth Illingworth, an astronomer at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told WaPo. "How do you do this in the universe at such an early time? How do you form so many stars so quickly?"

(Excerpt) Read more at futurism.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: astronomy; galaxies; garthillingworth; haltonarp; iylm; jwst; physics; science; space; steadystate; stringtheory; webb; webbtelescope
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To: aimhigh

THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!!! REEEEEE


61 posted on 08/30/2022 4:33:43 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: aimhigh

Like a slice of chorizo?!


62 posted on 08/30/2022 4:34:22 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. )
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To: aimhigh

Same models they use on global warming... They don’t work right either


63 posted on 08/30/2022 4:34:25 PM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: DannyTN
I was expecting a Vogon constructor fleet.

Then I hope your Guidebook is the latest edition.

64 posted on 08/30/2022 4:35:07 PM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: aimhigh
and will likely rewrite, long-held understandings about the origins of our universe.

The scientists are unsettled.

65 posted on 08/30/2022 4:35:35 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: aimhigh
"The models just don't predict this," Garth Illingworth, an astronomer at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told WaPo. "How do you do this in the universe at such an early time? How do you form so many stars so quickly?"

Gee Garth, maybe your models aren't so accurate and the universe is bigger and more mysterious than previously thought.

66 posted on 08/30/2022 4:35:36 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. )
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To: aimhigh

Wait. WAIT!! We didn’t know we didn’t know this before we went looking for it?


67 posted on 08/30/2022 4:35:49 PM PDT by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: OHelix

We were like, yeah, we'll try to answer that if you want.

68 posted on 08/30/2022 4:36:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (The Democrat Party is criminal, unAmerican and illegitimate )
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To: cgbg

I suppose if you choose to ignore all the evidence supporting the Big Bang theory, it might seem unlikely. But it exists in abundance despite not knowing about it. The theory itself does not necessarily say the universe started from a singularity at a specific point in time. That is extrapolated based on what we see today, and based on predictions that have been observed after the fact. But if there is another theory that better matches observation, no one has yet proposed it. By the way, it was not originally called “Big Bang”. That is a term coined by someone who was not a proponent of it and didn’t understand it.


69 posted on 08/30/2022 4:36:41 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: aimhigh

Six days of work.......


70 posted on 08/30/2022 4:36:49 PM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Flick Lives

I’ve heard otherwise. I’ve heard there is a center and everything is traveling further away from it. So I’m guessing they look at what direction our galaxy is moving relative to others and “plot the center”. But to me that is one big assumption.


71 posted on 08/30/2022 4:38:28 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: aimhigh

If the models don’t match actual observations, the theory is incorrect. A lesson not yet accepted by the climate model hoaxers.


72 posted on 08/30/2022 4:41:03 PM PDT by waredbird
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To: alternatives?

A funny meme I saw recently had the pictures from this with all the colors etc., alongside a very, very grainy picture of the person who put the pipe bomb down on Jan 6. The point was such a clear pic from millions of miles away but they couldn’t even round up this guy from Jan 6 because the picture was so bad.


73 posted on 08/30/2022 4:41:52 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BOBBY m)
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To: T Ruth

74 posted on 08/30/2022 4:42:42 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: NoLibZone

“Prominent Nazi physicists even accused him of promulgating disreputable “Jewish science.””

ROTFLMAO! That was not science speaking. That was a dude keeping the SS away.


75 posted on 08/30/2022 4:43:17 PM PDT by TexasGator (ice )
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To: aimhigh

So for those who actually are interested in this topic I would recommend the YouTube video linked here for a good explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2DOCWyyhdI&t=757s&ab_channel=AntonPetrov

The key point is that scientists had hypothesized the size of the very early galaxies in the Universe using models that included some initial parameters like energy density and gravitational forces. When they looked at the JWST pictures and saw these for the first time, they were “bigger” than expected. So, the Universe has the final word on what is “real” and the scientists just need to understand what parameters they got wrong when they built their models. Kind of like climate change that predicted much warmer temperatures than we are seeing now.


76 posted on 08/30/2022 4:43:47 PM PDT by Dave Wright
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To: aimhigh

If they thought the science was ‘settled’, they’re not scientists.


77 posted on 08/30/2022 4:44:34 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Comitia asinorum et rhinocerum delenda sunt.)
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To: FLT-bird

most mathematical models used to predict things where have lots of assumptions because of incomplete or inaccurate info...This is why I laugh at climate alarmist that point to mathematical models....when they talk about temperature readings over the last 100 years I ask how many of those readings were originally in rural areas that are not rural any more...The asphalt and cement in cities can throw off the readings by as much as 5 degrees because of radiant heat in the area... the climate alarmist who use mathematical models have this flaw built into their predictions of runaway temperatures.... it’s not verry surprising to me that the mathematical models are not predicting what the telescope is revealing. When dealing with the unknown you just don’t know.


78 posted on 08/30/2022 4:44:35 PM PDT by PCPOET7 (`)
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To: dandiegirl
The point was such a clear pic from millions of miles away but they couldn’t even round up this guy from Jan 6 because the picture was so bad.

I'm mildly curious as to what point you think that makes ... please elaborate.

79 posted on 08/30/2022 4:45:30 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: one guy in new jersey

Just so!


80 posted on 08/30/2022 4:47:45 PM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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