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More police isn't the answer after Texas shooting, experts say
NBC News / Comcast ^ | May 31, 2022 | By Char Adams (D-NBC)

Posted on 06/01/2022 7:25:16 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District in Texas has its own police department, complete with four officers, a detective and security staff who patrol the campus and its entrances. This didn’t prevent a gunman from killing 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School last week.

“The research is clear that more police and hardening schools doesn’t work,” said Patrick Bresette, executive director of the Children’s Defense Fund of Texas.

This debate over school police isn’t new, though. Organizers have long pointed out the negative impacts of police in schools: Black and Latino children are more likely to be criminalized by school officers, and there are no sweeping federal laws that regulate the police use of force on students. In the last 15 years, police in schools across the country have been reported as punishing students for common childhood behaviors such as talking back to teachers and fighting.

Advocates say that discussions about school policing must acknowledge racial disparities. Schools with larger Black and Latino populations are more likely to have police officers in the halls, metal detectors and security cameras, making the students more likely to be stunned, assaulted or pepper-sprayed by police. And police often criminalize Black children for conduct considered common among kids — like mouthing off or fighting at school.

Experts say ramping up police presence at schools will disproportionately impact Black and Latino students. The University at Albany and RAND study also found that school officers’ presence leads to more suspensions, expulsions, police referrals, chronic absences and arrests for students, and Black students are two times more likely than whites to experience these consequences.

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

150 armed officers eating donuts, joking around, and handcuffing people who wanted to do something, while kids died, is enough.

Why would we want 300 doing the same?


21 posted on 06/01/2022 7:40:28 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
What is the necessity of having "sweeping federal laws" for that?

I agree. I also seem to have skipped over the part of the constitution where that was one of the enumerated powers granted to the federal government.

22 posted on 06/01/2022 7:40:36 AM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“The research is clear that more police and hardening schools doesn’t work,”

Of course it doesn’t, that’s why all the super rich and politicians send THEIR KIDS to elite private schools with more armed guards than a US embassy in a hostile country. /sarc


23 posted on 06/01/2022 7:42:26 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: olivia3boys
Israel does well with their armed school guards and hardened schools.



24 posted on 06/01/2022 7:42:36 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Steely Tom

Allow me to actually address the problem.

It is exceedingly difficult to discriminate between mentally ill folk who are a threat to no one and mentally ill folk who are a danger to others. This is why we have the problem we do.

If we could identify precisely the dangerous mentally ill and isolate those with a propensity to harm others there would be a huge reduction in these incidents.

It’s not the availability of guns that is the problem.

Perhaps Google and Microsoft and other Big Tech entities with resources in the AI space could analyze the backgrounds and behaviors of the violently mentally ill to help provide a heuristic model for identifying these folks, when it counts, before they express their violence. No?

OBTW, I am agreeable to amending the Constitution to curtail the rights of the dangerously mentally ill in order to protect the rights (including 2nd Amendment freedom) of the non-mentally ill.


25 posted on 06/01/2022 7:42:48 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: BiglyCommentary

In before someone points out embassies are protected by marines, not armed guards.


26 posted on 06/01/2022 7:44:14 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"..(b)lack students are two times more likely than whites to experience these consequences."

It wouldn't have anything to do with being raised feral.

27 posted on 06/01/2022 7:44:36 AM PDT by chief lee runamok (Anti-Socialist Derelict at Large)
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To: Lurker; All
What research is that, Patrick? Where are the studies?

I recently attended a presentation by Ed Monk. He presented the statistical evidence to support the reasons police presence does not work, most of the time, and why hardened school don't prevent the problem, because they work against responders as much as mass murderers.

Police do not work because you cannot have enough of them to reach the murderer in the first minute, because of physics and expense.

What you need is potential armed responders who can see or hear the first shot.

If you are willing to have and pay for enough police for that, it could work. But you need, at minimum, several responders per building.

Just let people with carry permits carry in schools, especially people who work in schools. Give them a bit of training so they understand the situation. Relatively cheap and easy.

28 posted on 06/01/2022 7:46:38 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: ConservativeMind
Why would we want 300 doing the same?

Because they would have had a tight enough ring around the school that the Mother who ran into the school and got her kids out could have been safely tazed or shot to protect the police perimeter you know. /S

29 posted on 06/01/2022 7:46:39 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: Erik Latranyi
The police stood down for over 40 minutes, allowing a classroom full of children to me easily massacred.

Right?!? I said the other day, that in 40+ minutes, the shooter could have killed 21 people with a flint-lock, musket loader!!
30 posted on 06/01/2022 7:46:40 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is necessary; diverse points of views will not be tolerated.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“experts say”

BS


31 posted on 06/01/2022 7:47:00 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What good are cops if they don’t do their jobs! The police department and school district should be shut down for promoting a gun slaughter zone.


32 posted on 06/01/2022 7:49:30 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The research is clear that more police and hardening schools doesn’t work

Only if you actually lock the fricking doors, ya moron!

33 posted on 06/01/2022 7:50:54 AM PDT by grobdriver (The CDC can KMA!)
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To: ExTxMarine; All
Right?!? I said the other day, that in 40+ minutes, the shooter could have killed 21 people with a flint-lock, musket loader!!

With a double barreled shotgun and a revolver, he would typically make that count in five minutes.

Could do it with just a shotgun, but revolvers are pretty easy to come by.

Firearm types are not the problem.

34 posted on 06/01/2022 7:52:20 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Okay. Thanks for the information.

Just let willing teachers get advanced training and carry their personal weapons

L


35 posted on 06/01/2022 7:52:27 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it islam )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
..This didn’t prevent a gunman from killing 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School last week.

They [officers] can't stop it if they AREN'T ON THE CAMPUS!

36 posted on 06/01/2022 7:54:02 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let’s put a full sized cardboard standup of a police every 30 feet in a school. If it doesn’t lower the criminal activity, then fire the entire police force that didn’t enter the school. They are not needed to just stand around.


37 posted on 06/01/2022 7:54:26 AM PDT by trailboss800
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To: Lurker
Just let willing teachers get advanced training and carry their personal weapons

Yes.

And the "advanced training" isn't very "advanced". 1 day does it, maybe two. The problems are fairly simple, and they don't involve arrests, constitutional rights, or SWAT tactics.

It is mostly understanding the threat, the urgency, and the proper response: Stop them with force as fast as possible. Don't try to argue or pontificate.

38 posted on 06/01/2022 7:56:39 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Cen-Tejas
Until we start hiring cops...that have demonstrated fearlessness on their resume, instead of OLD men and others with no background of being involved in violent situations, the school shootings will continue.

With that we have today's thread winner.

Ideally, there would be at least one tack'ed up trained and experienced, combat-ready officer in a concealed equipped security center who would take immediate action and would also serve as site commander of any other LEO forces called in.

I.e., this "resource officer" would be fully capable of doing a prompt, capable job of protecting the school's resources and coordinating any additional help needed.

39 posted on 06/01/2022 8:00:04 AM PDT by frog in a pot (If abortion is the taking of a human life, then under what theory should it be left to the States?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Experts”? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.


40 posted on 06/01/2022 8:01:01 AM PDT by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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