Posted on 06/01/2022 7:25:16 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District in Texas has its own police department, complete with four officers, a detective and security staff who patrol the campus and its entrances. This didn’t prevent a gunman from killing 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School last week.
“The research is clear that more police and hardening schools doesn’t work,” said Patrick Bresette, executive director of the Children’s Defense Fund of Texas.
This debate over school police isn’t new, though. Organizers have long pointed out the negative impacts of police in schools: Black and Latino children are more likely to be criminalized by school officers, and there are no sweeping federal laws that regulate the police use of force on students. In the last 15 years, police in schools across the country have been reported as punishing students for common childhood behaviors such as talking back to teachers and fighting.
Advocates say that discussions about school policing must acknowledge racial disparities. Schools with larger Black and Latino populations are more likely to have police officers in the halls, metal detectors and security cameras, making the students more likely to be stunned, assaulted or pepper-sprayed by police. And police often criminalize Black children for conduct considered common among kids — like mouthing off or fighting at school.
Experts say ramping up police presence at schools will disproportionately impact Black and Latino students. The University at Albany and RAND study also found that school officers’ presence leads to more suspensions, expulsions, police referrals, chronic absences and arrests for students, and Black students are two times more likely than whites to experience these consequences.
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150 armed officers eating donuts, joking around, and handcuffing people who wanted to do something, while kids died, is enough.
Why would we want 300 doing the same?
I agree. I also seem to have skipped over the part of the constitution where that was one of the enumerated powers granted to the federal government.
“The research is clear that more police and hardening schools doesn’t work,”
Of course it doesn’t, that’s why all the super rich and politicians send THEIR KIDS to elite private schools with more armed guards than a US embassy in a hostile country. /sarc
Allow me to actually address the problem.
It is exceedingly difficult to discriminate between mentally ill folk who are a threat to no one and mentally ill folk who are a danger to others. This is why we have the problem we do.
If we could identify precisely the dangerous mentally ill and isolate those with a propensity to harm others there would be a huge reduction in these incidents.
It’s not the availability of guns that is the problem.
Perhaps Google and Microsoft and other Big Tech entities with resources in the AI space could analyze the backgrounds and behaviors of the violently mentally ill to help provide a heuristic model for identifying these folks, when it counts, before they express their violence. No?
OBTW, I am agreeable to amending the Constitution to curtail the rights of the dangerously mentally ill in order to protect the rights (including 2nd Amendment freedom) of the non-mentally ill.
In before someone points out embassies are protected by marines, not armed guards.
It wouldn't have anything to do with being raised feral.
I recently attended a presentation by Ed Monk. He presented the statistical evidence to support the reasons police presence does not work, most of the time, and why hardened school don't prevent the problem, because they work against responders as much as mass murderers.
Police do not work because you cannot have enough of them to reach the murderer in the first minute, because of physics and expense.
What you need is potential armed responders who can see or hear the first shot.
If you are willing to have and pay for enough police for that, it could work. But you need, at minimum, several responders per building.
Just let people with carry permits carry in schools, especially people who work in schools. Give them a bit of training so they understand the situation. Relatively cheap and easy.
Because they would have had a tight enough ring around the school that the Mother who ran into the school and got her kids out could have been safely tazed or shot to protect the police perimeter you know. /S
“experts say”
BS
What good are cops if they don’t do their jobs! The police department and school district should be shut down for promoting a gun slaughter zone.
Only if you actually lock the fricking doors, ya moron!
With a double barreled shotgun and a revolver, he would typically make that count in five minutes.
Could do it with just a shotgun, but revolvers are pretty easy to come by.
Firearm types are not the problem.
Okay. Thanks for the information.
Just let willing teachers get advanced training and carry their personal weapons
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They [officers] can't stop it if they AREN'T ON THE CAMPUS!
Let’s put a full sized cardboard standup of a police every 30 feet in a school. If it doesn’t lower the criminal activity, then fire the entire police force that didn’t enter the school. They are not needed to just stand around.
Yes.
And the "advanced training" isn't very "advanced". 1 day does it, maybe two. The problems are fairly simple, and they don't involve arrests, constitutional rights, or SWAT tactics.
It is mostly understanding the threat, the urgency, and the proper response: Stop them with force as fast as possible. Don't try to argue or pontificate.
With that we have today's thread winner.
Ideally, there would be at least one tack'ed up trained and experienced, combat-ready officer in a concealed equipped security center who would take immediate action and would also serve as site commander of any other LEO forces called in.
I.e., this "resource officer" would be fully capable of doing a prompt, capable job of protecting the school's resources and coordinating any additional help needed.
“Experts”? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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