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Ukraine is still losing so what is the plan
Moon of Alabama ^ | 20 Apr 22 | Moon of Alabama

Posted on 04/26/2022 7:09:08 PM PDT by delta7

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To: caww

“You should have no problem with any articles or blogs being posted”

Agree.

As you full well know, the only problem is the BIG LIE: falsification of source, factual misrepresentation or promotion of leftist hidden agenda.


81 posted on 04/27/2022 10:27:33 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: BlackbirdSST

VERY RICH! :)


82 posted on 04/27/2022 10:28:45 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Kevmo

“estimated at 900”

That count was made in 2014, eight years ago. And they have been training with Ukraine military since then near Kyiv.

As for being fascist, in March 2015, Mr. Avakov announced that it would receive specialist training from the US Army, only for that offer to be withdrawn in June when the group’s neo-Nazi connections became more widely known and the US House of Representatives moved to block them from benefiting from any American aid. So that part of the Ukraine force is not even being recognized by the US house to receive assistance with the 2022 event on behalf of the Ukraine who trains them. So there must be something to the accusation as even the house won’t assist them on the Ukraine behalf. There are some things that no one ever hears. And they shouldn’t.

wy69


83 posted on 04/27/2022 11:09:43 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: Cronos

“Ukraine didn’t separate from Russia in 1991”

From the information I have Ukraine officially declared itself an independent country on 24 August 1991, when the communist Supreme Soviet (parliament) of Ukraine proclaimed that Ukraine would no longer follow the laws of USSR and only the laws of the Ukrainian SSR, de facto declaring Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union.

wy69


84 posted on 04/27/2022 11:50:50 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: whitney69

I wrote “Ukraine didn’t separate from Russia in 1991”

You write “Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union.”

Russia also got its independence from the Soviet Union.


85 posted on 04/27/2022 11:55:10 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
the only problem is the BIG LIE: ....falsification of source, factual misrepresentation or promotion of leftist hidden agenda.

Well there's certainly plenty of all that throughout this conflict from all parties involved There are few reliable sources of reality which don't lean one way or the other twisting the facts or exaggerating all aspects of this conflict - thus the propaganda war is as shifting as the ground fighting is - and parties pushing it.

....no one has the truth in today's climate - including yourself - we can only offer what each of us considers possible.

86 posted on 04/27/2022 12:15:11 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: alexander_busek

I do not see Ukraine/US/Nato as the underdogs as you apparently do. Neither is Russia....but they all have DOGS fighting in this conflict ring.


87 posted on 04/27/2022 12:20:35 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: delta7

“....no one has the truth in today’s climate - including yourself - we can only offer what each of us considers possible.”

Sorry I disagree. I do NOT participate in the “Big lie.”
I may offer data that later may be found inaccurate, but I fo NOT intentionally distort truth. It is OF CRITICAL importance to discern the INTENTIONAL use by someone.

The very definition of “LIE” is a FALSE statement made with DELIBERATE INTENT TO DECEIVE: an INTENTIONAL UNTRUTH.

The ‘BIG LIE” would be to communicate a propaganda agenda to make DELIBERATE attempts by using SELECTIVE UNTRUTHS.

EXAMPLES:
1- ‘The earth is flat’ proved to be false but NOT a DELIBERATE or INTENTIONAL lie.

2- Putin’s use of KGB tactics, especially known use on social media, with DELIBERATE ATTEMPTS to use SELECTIVE UNTRUTHS to persuade for his agenda.

Satan is not only the “father of lies, but of those who suppress the truth.” John 8:44;
Secondly, “When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” Revelation 12:9 ESV


88 posted on 04/27/2022 8:28:27 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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ERROR Post #88 is NOT a direct response to delta7.

Rather, Post #88 is in response in the direct discussion of: Post 86 posted on 4/27/2022, 3:15:11 PM by caww


89 posted on 04/27/2022 8:37:11 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: delta7

Ukraine has serious issues. On the other hand, Russia had to give up their goal of annexing Ukraine or isntalling a puppet regime. Ukraine is being armed by the West. Russia is running out of men it can deploy, unless it has a mobilization or strips other fronts.


90 posted on 04/28/2022 1:09:31 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: Monterrosa-24

Why can’t u guys stick to the facts and quit attributing things to people they don’t say

That’s what the left does


91 posted on 04/28/2022 10:50:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (Faulkner never knew Free Republic but he coined its nickname...The Sound and The Fury)
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To: wardaddy

“...He could reduce all major cities if he wished...”

“He’s shotcaller” sic.

You said plenty. The impliclation of your post was that Putin could cause even more damage with his conventional forces. I was addressing that fairly.


92 posted on 04/28/2022 11:12:46 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: Monterrosa-24; Pelham

But he hasn’t

The destruction is in the east where the resistance is

And ny the way his publicly proclaimed territorial goals are

Why doesn’t he just smash Kiev etc and at least destroy utilities to make life more inconvenient

He knows it wouldn’t play well

So we prop up what’s left of Zelensky regime while the east is destroyed and Putin parks his threats elsewhere and people die for a fait accompli

I don’t care other than stop prolonging it

Putin can go home tomorrow totally defeated .....fine....not going to happen

My only chagrin is that the neocon globalist tech cabal who stole Trumps landslide and more will he very emboldened

It’sonly a guess

Fairly soon ....Putin gets his goals in the east and maybe more like Odessa and that Tristinia or however u say it

And Ukraine is neutered

Which would leave Zelensky likely short for power

However we are pouring cash in and some generals are advocating USA and nato on the ground west of the Dnieper which I think is nuts

One thing to acknowledge is Donbass is like Missouri 1860-1866 or so

Plenty hatred to go around all sides

It’s not of strategic import in my opinion and should have been avoided

That it’s happened in Ukraine is not a coincidence given it’s piggyback status for the west


93 posted on 04/28/2022 11:35:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (Faulkner never knew Free Republic but he coined its nickname...The Sound and The Fury)
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To: delta7

The globalist soylemt green machine still has plenty Uke civilians for fuel

And we can print more cash


94 posted on 04/28/2022 11:41:52 AM PDT by wardaddy (Faulkner never knew Free Republic but he coined its nickname...The Sound and The Fury)
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To: wardaddy

Putin is spread thin because he is bombing Kharkov, Kiev, Lvov, the southeast, the Donbas, and all across the country. His pilots are not accurate. In Lvov, attempts at bombing rail yards fall on civilian housing nearby. The Russian suck at everything except looting. They’ve thrown away so many lives of their young men with their Nazi-like invasion to “denazify” Ukraine. From day one you’ve appeared to be in awe of the Russians and have shown nothing but contempt for Ukrainian bravery. And in spite of all the publicity surrounding Javelin, many kills on Russian vehicles have come from Ukrainians getting close with short range rockets, like AT-4s and similar unguided RPGs. It takes guts to do that and they have taken quite a toll on the invaders.


95 posted on 04/28/2022 11:52:58 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: tlozo

West is just now beginning to send heavy weapons to Ukraine.
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….and if they don’t get destroyed coming in, at the depots, in transit,(Ukraine is the size of Texas),when the crews get trained on the equipment and deployed,or if/when they get captured, we are talking months down the road. To late for the Ukie Donbass provinces campaign.
Throw in Vlad just destroyed the fuel line railroad and bridges near Odessa preventing Romania’s fuel getting to the Ukies, ( the Ukies major fuel supply comes from Romania), the promised epic battle on the eastern plains when the Donbass pocket collapses, will simply not happen. Per Ukie MOD, they are already setting up defenses all the way back west to the Dniepner.

Sorry, not what the Ukie war cheerleaders want to hear, but Vlad is winning, one, small step at a time.


96 posted on 04/28/2022 12:26:12 PM PDT by delta7
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To: RAldrich

“What is the plan?”

Send arms the US has in storage to Ukraine and Eastern Europe.
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Yeah, right. Do remember, Senile Joe left ( abandoned) billions of dollars of equipment in Afghanistan. Ukraine will be no different.

I will not be surprised to see captured US equipment in Moscows annual WW2 Victory parade in May, right through Red Square, for all the world to see.

Yes, I have been to three of those events in Red Square, the crowds will go wild.


97 posted on 04/28/2022 12:36:12 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

The plan is as it always was, as it has been for any invaded country facing a force much more powerful: bleed em, make it expensive, every enemy killed now will not be available to enforce occupation, and the bleed will continue in the occupation. Heck, it’s the same plan the USSR used against Nazi Germany. And had used against them in Afghanistan. It’s effective. It sucks. But it works.


98 posted on 04/28/2022 12:42:52 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: delta7

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-attacks-key-bridge-may-100650507.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/romania-send-fuel-ammunition-ukraine-2022-02-27/

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-thanks-romania-for-assisting-kyivs-defense-capabilities-articleshow.html

The truth is out there, search for it.

Western MSM conveniently leaves out the bridges carried not only the Ukies grain exports, but fuel from Romania to the Ukies. Those bridges are gone.

…and Vlad says, checkmate, again.


99 posted on 04/28/2022 12:51:55 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7
we are talking months down the road. To late for the Ukie Donbass provinces campaign.

No, half of the US howitzers are already in Ukraine.

100 posted on 04/28/2022 2:41:59 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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