Posted on 04/14/2022 7:57:48 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
WHAT WAS ITS HISTORY?
The warship was launched as the Slava from a shipyard in Mykolaiv in what was then the Soviet republic of Ukraine in July 1979, according to open-source intelligence firm Janes. Commissioned in late December 1982, it was 611.5 feet (186 meters) long. It was designed to carry a crew of 476 with an additional 62 officers.
The Slava served as the flagship of the Soviet fleet in the Black Sea. It carried both surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, deck guns, torpedoes and mortars. It also had a helicopter deck.
During the Cold War, it also carried nuclear weapons. In 1989, under Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, U.S. and Soviet scientists took part in a joint test abroad the Slava in the Black Sea to measure the emission of neutrons and gamma rays from a nuclear warhead on a cruise missile.
In late 1989, the Slava was supposed to host a meeting off Malta between Gorbachev and then-President George H.W. Bush, but gale force winds prompted the Soviet-hosted side of the talks to be held instead on the docked cruiser Maxim Gorky.
FROM SLAVA TO MOSKVA
The Slava underwent repairs from 1990-1999. During that time, the Soviet Union collapsed, an independent Ukraine emerged and Russia’s economy foundered. Finally overhauled and rechristened the Moskva, the ship hosted both President Vladimir Putin and then-Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi during a 2003 visit to Sardinia.
“Thank God, our cruisers can still go on their own, our planes and missiles can fly,” Putin said at the time.
Putin’s later comments at the La Maddalena naval base show how much has changed. He described the Moskva’s presence as a sign that “the level of trust between Russia and the NATO countries is rising.” NATO’s eastward expansion and Russian security were among the reasons Putin cited
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Unlikely that it caught on fire accidentally.
Point is though that a hit by even a relatively small missile could perforate those thin missile tubes and set off their contents. Warheads on these Neptun missiles are just 330 lb.
Thank you for that graphic. If the Ukrainians hadn’t destroyed the Russian ship it would have been used to bombard Odessa
Putin’s evil is not contained. And hasn’t been contained since at least 2008 and the invasion of Georgia
I refer to Telegram channels as well as Indian, german, polish and turkish sites.
It’s not fake that your President Putin is losing.
So you're saying we should be losing an aircraft carrier every month due to fire and ineptitude?
One wonders if it was the U.S. that sunk the Moskva.
It occurred on a dark and stormy night at sea. Sorry that Instagram, Facebook, twitter, and tik tok were unable to produce selfies of this clandestine operation to your satisfaction. Maybe you can apply for security clearance to access DOD sat images. I sympathize with your pain but surely there is a social media support group out there for you.
I said it wasn’t impossible. Just as flipping a coin on heads 50 times in a row isn’t impossible.
It’s not very probable though.
So the only reason that is 99.99995% true is that the Ukrainians blew up the Russian black fleet’s flag ship
Again, as above, it’s possible but not very probable.
The US doesn’t need to get involved directly - the Ukrainians have enough training and equipment to do this - especially when you consider how incredibly sloppy Putin’s military has been for the past 50 days
No I agree with you. Highly doubt it was a fire.
Just saying if we are talking about ineptitude our Navy is no shining example.
Joe will recommend using those nukes that are at their ‘Use By’ date.
In regard to the sinking of the Moskva, what is more likely...
Again, egregiously lacking facts. Thanks for the concession, albeit with circular logic.
You and others seem desperate to echo/validate propaganda coming out of a war zone and persist with attacks on others questioning the narrative by demanding facts for conclusion, rather than "what is more likely." Just like the left, ironically aligned with the left's position.
Hmmmmm...
Sanity check! We gotta stick together ;-)
ROFLMAO
Why?
Simple. ProRussian conservatives eschew all that is Ukranian favoring the American enemy of old.
I thought one ship had the propulsion’s fuel supply line located above the hot engine, and a missile strike ruptured that line. Thus catastrophic fire. But I forgot which ship. Slept since then.
Exactly. AP says it is sunk. I haven’t seen anything to indicate that to be so. All the Russians have admitted is that it was evacuated.
Not sure I believe that either, since it would be beneficial for my enemies to believe the ship is not operational when it actual is.
Which side has been lying overtly about everything since day one?
We have zero idea that there were nukes on that ship. No one knows for sure except the Russian high command and they are not going to tell you neither would any NATO nation. The only surety you can say is with a strategic asset like a ballistic missile submarine. To think otherwise is feckless, stupid guessing.
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