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The Moskva, sunk off Ukraine, served in wars hot and cold
AP ^ | 4/13/2022 | JON GAMBRELL

Posted on 04/14/2022 7:57:48 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

WHAT WAS ITS HISTORY?

The warship was launched as the Slava from a shipyard in Mykolaiv in what was then the Soviet republic of Ukraine in July 1979, according to open-source intelligence firm Janes. Commissioned in late December 1982, it was 611.5 feet (186 meters) long. It was designed to carry a crew of 476 with an additional 62 officers.

The Slava served as the flagship of the Soviet fleet in the Black Sea. It carried both surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, deck guns, torpedoes and mortars. It also had a helicopter deck.

During the Cold War, it also carried nuclear weapons. In 1989, under Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, U.S. and Soviet scientists took part in a joint test abroad the Slava in the Black Sea to measure the emission of neutrons and gamma rays from a nuclear warhead on a cruise missile.

In late 1989, the Slava was supposed to host a meeting off Malta between Gorbachev and then-President George H.W. Bush, but gale force winds prompted the Soviet-hosted side of the talks to be held instead on the docked cruiser Maxim Gorky.

FROM SLAVA TO MOSKVA

The Slava underwent repairs from 1990-1999. During that time, the Soviet Union collapsed, an independent Ukraine emerged and Russia’s economy foundered. Finally overhauled and rechristened the Moskva, the ship hosted both President Vladimir Putin and then-Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi during a 2003 visit to Sardinia.

“Thank God, our cruisers can still go on their own, our planes and missiles can fly,” Putin said at the time.

Putin’s later comments at the La Maddalena naval base show how much has changed. He described the Moskva’s presence as a sign that “the level of trust between Russia and the NATO countries is rising.” NATO’s eastward expansion and Russian security were among the reasons Putin cited

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1 posted on 04/14/2022 7:57:48 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

Apart from the symbolic aspect of the name, the Moskva (previously the Slava) is the first (presumably) formerly nuclear-armed vessel to be sunk in action.


2 posted on 04/14/2022 7:58:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Hot?


3 posted on 04/14/2022 8:00:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Zhang Fei

The Moskva was meant to kill Ukrainians. Large numbers of them. Instead it descended to its watery grave. RIP.


4 posted on 04/14/2022 8:02:40 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: Zhang Fei

Tanks and large ships have become obsolete.


5 posted on 04/14/2022 8:03:24 PM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: 2banana

There are two types of ships. Submarines and targets.


6 posted on 04/14/2022 8:06:45 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Zhang Fei

I have looked everywhere. There is no evidence it was sunk in action. No imagery of missile hit. No satellite photos of such a thing.

I have just examined Exocets from the Falklands War. The warhead size is identical to Neptun. Exocets hit several UK ships in the Falklands.

Every one of them sank — from being towed. Even the famous HMS Sheffield sank and the missile that hit it never exploded. Residual propellant set fires. She sank days later while being towed. Towing is very risky even for unharmed ships, but if weather is heavy there is no choice. Atlantic Conveyor too Exocet hits. Sank while towed.

Case in point, destroyer HMS Glamorgan took an Exocet hit. Repaired. She was sold to the Chilean Navy and served there for 12 years.

And then it sank. While being towed.


7 posted on 04/14/2022 8:08:17 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Zhang Fei

It won’t be invading other Countries anymore.


8 posted on 04/14/2022 8:10:24 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( Less Lindell CONS, More AZ Style Audits)
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At least they finally got the fires out.


9 posted on 04/14/2022 8:16:09 PM PDT by bray (The Vax is fake and deadly)
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To: Owen

If the ship was struck by missiles, the Xiden administration would have released [leaked] satellite imagery by now...to state nothing of the nonexistent drone footage provided by the Ukranians themselves.


10 posted on 04/14/2022 8:16:46 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: 2banana

No the older ones have. The systems that we have been observing getting destroyed are near the end of or even past their service life. W have many things here in the US arsenal that can have the same thing happen to them.


11 posted on 04/14/2022 8:20:56 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Zhang Fei
Slava means "glory." Moskva (Moscow) was previously the name of a helicopter carrier that was in service from the mid-sixties to the mid-nineties.
12 posted on 04/14/2022 8:24:30 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Tailback

Target only if it’s bigger than a shit can. My boat didn’t have a deck gun for small stuff. Just 4 torpedo tubes forward and greater than ten “goodbye tomorrows” in the missle compartment.


13 posted on 04/14/2022 8:24:43 PM PDT by Equine1952
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To: Owen

The evidence that she was sunk in action is that the Ukes CLAIMED it. Before even the Rukes acknowledged there was a fire. That is evidence. Not that we can trust one side over the other, but it is evidence nonetheless.

In addition, a bunch of other Russian ships have fled the coastal zone. That wouldn’t have happened if it were merely a fire, but woulda happened if they figured out they were in range of antiship missiles.


14 posted on 04/14/2022 8:29:45 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: logi_cal869
If the ship was struck by missiles, the Xiden administration would have released [leaked] satellite imagery by now...to state nothing of the nonexistent drone footage provided by the Ukranians themselves.

Heavy cloud cover because of the storm in which the Russians have acknowledged the Moskva sunk. Why are so many finding it hard to believe that a Russian ship was sunk by the Ukrainians while operating in a war zone. It happens even to the best of naval powers.

15 posted on 04/14/2022 8:31:08 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Fiji Hill

We ran a mock torpedo run on the old Moskava in the Mediterranean in the mid 70’s. It was nice sitting in the engine room while the forward types got off their asses for a change. It was a busy patrol. The Israelis were having sporting events with their neighbors and things were tense in the eastern Med back then.


16 posted on 04/14/2022 8:33:23 PM PDT by Equine1952
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17 posted on 04/14/2022 8:39:14 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Owen

My gramps was aboard the Hancock in 1945.

They had to tow a ship and keep it moving to prevent it from sinking, while they got it under control and did repairs, for days. Then they had to get back to Hawaii for actual full blown drydock-level repairs.


18 posted on 04/14/2022 8:40:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Petrosius
Heavy cloud cover because of the storm in which the Russians have acknowledged the Moskva sunk. Why are so many finding it hard to believe that a Russian ship was sunk by the Ukrainians while operating in a war zone. It happens even to the best of naval powers.


19 posted on 04/14/2022 8:40:41 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: libh8er
The Moskva was meant to kill Ukrainians. Large numbers of them. Instead it descended to its watery grave. RIP.

Rust In Pieces?

20 posted on 04/14/2022 8:45:36 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative ( <I>)
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