Posted on 01/24/2022 12:54:42 PM PST by Hojczyk
The Biden administration wants us to believe that Russia is seeking to regain its former greatness by overthrowing the government of Volodymyr Zelensky and replacing it with a puppet government that it would control. The neocon-dominated establishment in both of our political parties wants us to believe that the Soviet Union still exists and is inherently expansionary.
Just as the nation was sold a hoax about Russia having elected President Donald Trump in 2016, another illusion now is being sold. Do not believe a word of it!
Russia has explained repeatedly it has one core concern — Ukraine being admitted into the NATO military alliance.
Responding to the buildup, a Russian official explained in a Tass article: “We are alarmed by reports some member-countries of NATO have stepped up the deployment of lethal weapons and military personnel to Ukraine.”
And if Ukraine were admitted into NATO, with its strategic location, Russian knows that NATO and the U.S. could place missiles literally on its border, creating an existential threat to Russia.
Let’s put the current conflict into a historical context. If President John Kennedy was justified in risking war to prevent nuclear missiles from being installed in Cuba in 1961, then why exactly is Russian President Vladimir Putin being reckless in risking war to prevent NATO weapons from being installed in Ukraine in 2022? Would any great nation allow the development of such a threat on its border?
With those as the stakes, it would be wise for Biden and Blinken to listen to what Putin is saying and consider why Russia believes its vital national interests are at risk. If the United States has no comparable national interest to that of Russia, that should be the basis for de-escalation.
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Well if you are going to start playing that game, what about all the Germans who were moved out of the Sudetenland, Silesia and Pomerania after WWII?
I was also thinking about Catalan vs Spanish.
I know if you go to Barcelona, if you try to speak in Spanish to them, and they know you come from Spain, they will not respond to you. But if I speak Spanish with my heavy American accent, they know I’m a tourist and have no problems speaking in Spanish to me.
The Ukraine is most certainly, historically and strategically, of national interest to Russia and more their “business” than ours or NATO’s. Far more so than the Baltics.
Flynn, Putin always sounds very sane.
Well, of course. What do you balance of power politics is all about? How do you think balance of power politics has preserved the peace and prevented a world war for 75 years? Every time I make the exact same point Flynn makes, I’m crucified for being some kind of surrender monkey. It’s nice to see another conservative who has tossed the neocon colored glasses.
Ukraine has been controlled by Russia or the USSR since the late 1700s - until just a couple of decades ago. It has never had any connection as an independent country with the US - again, until a couple of decades ago. The dispute is not ours to get involved with - and we do so with an interest that the Russians consider absolutely critical to them. They can deal with an independent Ukraine, so long as it isn’t formally tied to powers (the US, Germany, France and the UK) that have a history of hostility (in varying degrees) to Russian and/or the USSR. If we were Russia, and Ukraine was Mexico or Canada, we would go to war against a (somewhat) hostile power thousands of miles away for control over those countries.
Risking war on this issue is stupid beyond belief. Russia isn’t Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya - we won’t be able to destroy its conventional forces in days or weeks (if ever, its a big place), and the Russkies have a LOT of nukes. Why TF would we bother? What gain do we get from it, and at what known cost and unknown risk? The simplest solution is to tell that Russians that if they stay out of Ukraine - meaning both with troops and in terms of a potential coup - then we won’t support Ukraine entering NATO. Back it up with diplomatic and commercial sanctions for bad behavior. The solution is one intelligent conversation away (meaning that such will never happen with Brandon in office).
It’s as much their business as it would be if China started trying to pull Canada or mexico into a security arrangement and station weapons there.
This is of ZERO concern to us, lets the Russians have it and maybe make the place better.
I guess some people think that it’s a crime for Russia to want friendly govts on its borders. Especially when that govt is right next to Russia’s only warm water port.
Russia is never going to tolerate any unfriendly Ukrainian govt for long. All the neocon bluster in the world won’t change that.
Would the neocons tolerate an aggressive unfriendly Canada being armed by another country? Of course not. Sauce for the goose.
“and is inherently expansionary”
That’s right. Rolling into Georgia and Sevastopol was technically a contraction. The settled science says so.
I understand. Also the Poles moved out of formerly eastern Poland, now Ukraine.
Yep, Poland was put “on wheels” after the war.
Russia is not some shithole third world Crapistan like
Afgan, Libya, Syria, or the Congo.
Their country is 4x as large as USA. We have bigger population, but you gonna put your ass on the line to be defended by wokesters, barely literates, illegals and a few good men commanded by men in dresses vs. the civilians sacrificed themselves by the millions in WW2 against the Germans - literally winning WW2? [If you don’t know this, go read a real history book. One that covers the Eastern front bleeding Germany dry and making victory in West Euro possible]. If so, you’ve never met an actual man from that country.
Their military is small but incredibly well trained with advanced weapons rivaling ours [some better - like hypersonic missiles our military was “surprised” they have].
Our current armchair generals, when not doing their nails, have already proven they can’t organize a retreat from goat-herders. What pray will they do in an actual kinetic conflict with a 1st world military & nuclear power?
Think Estonia, Latvia, Poland or Lithuana will be happy to see their countries turned into smoldering heaps again? They just fricken rebuilt and emerged from communism. Or they gonna think real hard about letting US aircraft overfly their territory?
The dems are delusional believing the Russians will just sit there and watch bombs drop. Cause the Russians any actual pain and:
Aviano - poof
Incerlik - splat
US Navy in the med - glub
Any strike INSIDE Russia - every reason to retaliate inside the US homeland.
Remember when they gassed terrorists in Moscow/stormed Bezlan elementary school when taken hostage by the muxlims? Killed some civilians AND ALL OF THE TERRORISTS, so it was seen as “unfortunate but necessary”. They are a serious minded people/culture with serious minded soldiers, generals and leaders.
This is not some internet game.
I guess a question might be is how many Russians were moved into those sections after WW 2 to replace all the Ukrainians they starved in the 30’s.
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If Russia is using the fact that Russians live on Eastern Ukraine, when in fact the USSR displaced the original Ukrainians with Russians in the Soviet era, it just shows how completely brazen and in your face Putin is with that pathetic excuse.
No, I do not believe the US has any business sending troops there, but I do believe we should at least insist on truth in the world media. ( wishful thinking).
Your words are true.
Always has
To all the warmongers and lefties who think war with Russia is a good idea:
In WW2, 80 percent of all German military casualties occurred on the Eastern Front. Germany lost 5.5 million soldiers and 1.8 million civilians.
Russia defeated the Nazis. The Allies were an “assist”.
A book you're talking about is "Alas Babylon" by Pat Frank. It's based on a nuclear war between Russia and the United States.
The war in the book is the same as a real nuclear war: it's all over in several hours. The bulk of the book, as life would really be, is the story of the survivors and how they deal with life after the attack.
Great book. I've read it several times and highly recommend it. Amazon.
"Alle sieben Sekunden stirbt ein deutscher Soldat. Stalingrad – Massengrab."
Just as you say. The Soviets alienated the Ukraine with its pompous jerk attitude and control of the territory but the Russians and Ukrainians have actually been co-dependant for centuries.
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