Skip to comments.What Putin really told Biden ---- Russian and US leaders dropped their respective rhetorical gauntlets but nobody really expects Russia to invade Ukraine
Posted on 12/08/2021 6:50:02 PM PST by elpadre
So Russian President Vladimir Putin, by himself, and United States President Joe Biden, surrounded by aides, finally had their secret video link conference for two hours and two minutes – with translators placed in different rooms.
That was their first serious exchange since they met in person in Geneva last June – the first Russia-US summit since 2018. For global public opinion, led to believe a “war” in Ukraine was all but imminent, what’s left is essentially a torrent of spin.
So let’s start with a simple exercise focusing on the key issue of the video link – Ukraine – contrasting the White House and Kremlin versions of what transpired.
The White House: Biden made it “clear” to Putin that the US and allies will respond with “decisive economic and other measures” to a military escalation in Ukraine. At the same time, Biden called on Putin to de-escalate around Ukraine and “return to diplomacy.”
Kremlin: Putin offered Biden to nullify all restrictions on the functioning of diplomatic missions. He remarked that cooperation between Russia and the US is still in an “unsatisfactory” state.
He urged the US not to shift “responsibility on the shoulders of Russia” for the escalation of the situation around Ukraine.
The White House: The US will expand military aid to Ukraine if Russia takes steps against it.
Kremlin: Putin told Biden that Russia is interested in obtaining legally fixed guarantees excluding NATO’s eastward expansion and the deployment of offensive strike systems in Russia’s neighboring countries.
(Excerpt) Read more at asiatimes.com ...
“...Putin demanding from the US – which runs NATO – a written, legally binding guarantee that the alliance will not advance further eastward towards Russian borders is the game-changer here.
Team Biden cannot possibly deliver: they would be eaten alive by the War Inc establishment. Putin studied his history and knows that Daddy Bush’s “promise” to Gorbachev on NATO expansion was just a lie. He knows those who run NATO will never commit themselves in writing.
So that allows Putin a full range of options to defend Russian national security. “Invasion” is a joke; Ukraine, rotting from the inside, consumed by fear, loathing and poverty, will remain in limbo, while Donetsk and Lugansk will be progressively interconnected with the Russian Federation. ...”
Bunch of recycled Kabul.
Putin ignores the doddering old fool, as politely as possible...
Of course the dumb media will just use the well placed excuse, the Russian invasion was “totally unexpected”.
So, how much does Putin pay you?
Donetsk and Lugansk will be progressively interconnected
There it is folks....
“So, how much does Putin pay you?”
Once a week or so, I pull up Drudge and go to their dropdown where all the many US and foreign sites and internet newspapers are listed and check out a few to see what is being said in other countries. The Asia Times often has articles that are interesting as the writers are not ideologically driven as American writers are. Although the European writers are lefties, they often approach topics differently from what we see in the NYT, for instance. I find this is a good way for an old man to spend some down time. I can’t nap all day and I need some new tennis balls for my walker.
(P.S. - I live on a small pension and SS - Putin is like PCH - he doesn’t pay well at all.)
He should have returned Hillary’s reset button...
Ukraine believed Western countries and were talked into giving up their Soviet era nuclear weapons years ago. We all pay a price for even listening to leftists. They also complain endlessly about the problems they cause and the results they get from those. I watched a video about Biden getting slammed for pressuring MSM for better coverage, and you can check it out top of page at Whatfinger News in crawler link. If you want positive reactions Joe then stop trying to destroy America from within for your communist Chinese patron Xi. And Ukraine has learned a valuable lesson we should pay attention to, never give up your right to defend yourself.
What is Biden going to do, throw billions of dollars in cash at Putin as he flees leaving billion of dollars in weapons behind? That’s the pattern so far.
Stop saying the left is dumb. Democrats are insidious and evil. Underestimating them gets us nowhere.
Pulling up the ‘drat smudge abort’ is your first mistake. Guy went full alt-far-left-communist-democRAT at the end of 2017 during the special election for Jeff Sessions old Senate seat.
Putin is a Communist with an image team and a makeover. Bearing that in mind, I wouldn’t want to give that thug any concessions. But Slow Moe Joe showed his cards, and they aren’t very good. And Joe has his price so Hunter can make more money and give daddy his 10%. Russian oligarchs have plenty of $$$$ to give Hunter.
But look at this a bit deeper:
Putin demanding guarantees which he has no chance to get and which he actually does not need right now (and then why believe anything Biden says?)
Biden demanding guarantees (that Russia does not invade) fully knowing that Russia has no desire to do this.
This adds up that both demands are simply noise for the public, the subject of conversation was something else.
I surely would not mind knowing just what was discussed. Very likely Iran.. possibly China .. and likely something else (economics meltdown).
“Joe, we have great nursing homes in Russia. I will send you a top ten list.”
“...Russian oligarchs have plenty of $$$$ to give Hunter...”
as do oligarchs of the Ukraine, China and half dozen more countries.
This author is a fool
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