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What Putin really told Biden ---- Russian and US leaders dropped their respective rhetorical gauntlets but nobody really expects Russia to invade Ukraine
asiatimes.com ^ | December 8, 2021 | Pepe Escobar

Posted on 12/08/2021 6:50:02 PM PST by elpadre

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1 posted on 12/08/2021 6:50:02 PM PST by elpadre
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and more:

“...Putin demanding from the US – which runs NATO – a written, legally binding guarantee that the alliance will not advance further eastward towards Russian borders is the game-changer here.

Team Biden cannot possibly deliver: they would be eaten alive by the War Inc establishment. Putin studied his history and knows that Daddy Bush’s “promise” to Gorbachev on NATO expansion was just a lie. He knows those who run NATO will never commit themselves in writing.

So that allows Putin a full range of options to defend Russian national security. “Invasion” is a joke; Ukraine, rotting from the inside, consumed by fear, loathing and poverty, will remain in limbo, while Donetsk and Lugansk will be progressively interconnected with the Russian Federation. ...”


2 posted on 12/08/2021 6:51:56 PM PST by elpadre ( ying them.)
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Bunch of recycled Kabul.


3 posted on 12/08/2021 7:00:45 PM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: elpadre

Putin ignores the doddering old fool, as politely as possible...


4 posted on 12/08/2021 7:01:12 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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Of course the dumb media will just use the well placed excuse, the Russian invasion was “totally unexpected”.


5 posted on 12/08/2021 7:02:16 PM PST by existentially_kuffer
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So, how much does Putin pay you?


6 posted on 12/08/2021 7:02:46 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: elpadre

Donetsk and Lugansk will be progressively interconnected

There it is folks....


7 posted on 12/08/2021 7:15:59 PM PST by nikos1121
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“So, how much does Putin pay you?”

Once a week or so, I pull up Drudge and go to their dropdown where all the many US and foreign sites and internet newspapers are listed and check out a few to see what is being said in other countries. The Asia Times often has articles that are interesting as the writers are not ideologically driven as American writers are. Although the European writers are lefties, they often approach topics differently from what we see in the NYT, for instance. I find this is a good way for an old man to spend some down time. I can’t nap all day and I need some new tennis balls for my walker.

(P.S. - I live on a small pension and SS - Putin is like PCH - he doesn’t pay well at all.)


8 posted on 12/08/2021 7:21:50 PM PST by elpadre ( ying them.)
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He should have returned Hillary’s reset button...


9 posted on 12/08/2021 7:22:39 PM PST by shotgun
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Ukraine believed Western countries and were talked into giving up their Soviet era nuclear weapons years ago. We all pay a price for even listening to leftists. They also complain endlessly about the problems they cause and the results they get from those. I watched a video about Biden getting slammed for pressuring MSM for better coverage, and you can check it out top of page at Whatfinger News in crawler link. If you want positive reactions Joe then stop trying to destroy America from within for your communist Chinese patron Xi. And Ukraine has learned a valuable lesson we should pay attention to, never give up your right to defend yourself.


10 posted on 12/08/2021 7:24:42 PM PST by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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What is Biden going to do, throw billions of dollars in cash at Putin as he flees leaving billion of dollars in weapons behind? That’s the pattern so far.


11 posted on 12/08/2021 7:26:50 PM PST by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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To: existentially_kuffer

Stop saying the left is dumb. Democrats are insidious and evil. Underestimating them gets us nowhere.


12 posted on 12/08/2021 7:28:07 PM PST by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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Pulling up the ‘drat smudge abort’ is your first mistake. Guy went full alt-far-left-communist-democRAT at the end of 2017 during the special election for Jeff Sessions old Senate seat.


13 posted on 12/08/2021 7:29:28 PM PST by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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Putin is a Communist with an image team and a makeover. Bearing that in mind, I wouldn’t want to give that thug any concessions. But Slow Moe Joe showed his cards, and they aren’t very good. And Joe has his price so Hunter can make more money and give daddy his 10%. Russian oligarchs have plenty of $$$$ to give Hunter.


14 posted on 12/08/2021 7:32:00 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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Concur.

But look at this a bit deeper:

Putin demanding guarantees which he has no chance to get and which he actually does not need right now (and then why believe anything Biden says?)

Biden demanding guarantees (that Russia does not invade) fully knowing that Russia has no desire to do this.

This adds up that both demands are simply noise for the public, the subject of conversation was something else.

I surely would not mind knowing just what was discussed. Very likely Iran.. possibly China .. and likely something else (economics meltdown).

15 posted on 12/08/2021 7:33:05 PM PST by mvonfr
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“Joe, we have great nursing homes in Russia. I will send you a top ten list.”


16 posted on 12/08/2021 7:34:21 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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“...Russian oligarchs have plenty of $$$$ to give Hunter...”

as do oligarchs of the Ukraine, China and half dozen more countries.


17 posted on 12/08/2021 7:35:28 PM PST by elpadre ( ying them.)
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"What Putin really told Biden"

Doesn't matter what they discussed. The moment biden is exposed to an electrostatic discharge he'll forget the entire affair.
18 posted on 12/08/2021 8:03:55 PM PST by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: ProfessorGoldiloxx

pretty much...


19 posted on 12/08/2021 8:23:57 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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This author is a fool


20 posted on 12/08/2021 8:30:38 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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