Posted on 09/04/2021 3:56:10 AM PDT by Kaslin
This style of conversation inevitably carries over to the viewing public. That’s why dinner-table arguments are often just as pointless as the actual candidate debates.
There is a third reason why rational political discussions have become almost impossible in modern times. It wasn’t that long ago that Republicans and Democratic candidates would say, “We agree on the problems, but we disagree on the solutions.” Note: you can remain very civil and yet disagree on solutions.
That is no longer the case.
Conservatives have long believed that welfare causes poverty. After all, a welfare check can be viewed as “paying people to be poor.” But conservative commentators rarely said, “Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty created poverty.” And they never said, "Lyndon Johnson caused people to be poor.”
In other words, they blamed ideas and policies, not the people who advocated them. That is no longer true.
Today, Elder and many of his supporters believe that California’s problems go beyond liberalism in general. They are also likely to believe that politicians like Gavin Newsom are the cause of poverty, homelessness, crime, poor educational outcomes and economic dislocation.
Similarly, liberal commentators in the past may have believed that conservative attitudes contributed to racism and lack of opportunity for the downtrodden. But they didn’t personalize this belief.
Larry Elder is a talk show host who is running for governor of California. On September 14, California voters will have the opportunity to recall their current governor, Gavin Newsom. Should that happen, voters will choose Newsom’s replacement on the same ballot. If current polling is anywhere near accurate, the likely winner will be Elder.
The liberal media is panicking over the prospect. An editorial in the New York Times by Farhad Manjoo, for example, declares the Elder candidacy a “looming disaster,” a “liberal nightmare” and a possibility that is “as serious as a heart attack.”
For Times editorial writer Paul Krugman, the possibility is even more frightening. Elder, he says, would be a “Trumpist governor” whose election would produce “awesome consequences” – all bad, of course.
Elder’s candidacy is an ideal opportunity to investigate why the country is so divided politically and why it is so difficult to have civil conversations about politics. But first things first.
Why is Elder running for governor? He has a website that tells you. His main issues are: homelessness, crime, education and high taxes. For anyone who has been paying attention to California in the news, these issues should come as no surprise.
* California has the highest poverty rate in the country and it’s the residence of more than half the nation’s homeless population.
* If you steal less than $950, it is considered a misdemeanor and the police don’t arrest you – as a video of thieves cleaning out Neiman Marcus with no official resistance shows.
* California students perform worse on academic measures than students in other states, and they have lower graduation rates. Minority students are especially disadvantaged and San Francisco has one of the most segregated school systems in the country.
* California also has the highest income tax rates in the country; and businesses are leaving the state in droves.
So, what does Manjoo have to say about rampant homelessness in California? Nothing. Nothing? Not a word. What about crime? Zero. High taxes? Nada. What about poor kids taught by bad teachers in bad schools? Zilch.
Manjoo does mention a few issues, including abortion and the minimum wage. But these are not policies the governor can unilaterally change, and even if he could they would have no impact on most Californians. Hardly the stuff of a “liberal nightmare.”
Krugman is almost as bad. Although billing himself as a liberal, he has nothing to say about bad schools or crime and their effects on poor neighborhoods. Although he mentions homelessness and high taxes, he has nothing to say about Elder’s solutions, or why those solutions would have “awesome [bad] consequences.”
The practice of attacking a candidate without ever saying why he is running or what he would do if elected is not confined to the New York Times’ editorial page. The same practice is found in regular news stories. And although the Times may represent modern journalism at its worst, other news outlets are almost as bad.
What we read in the newspaper and see on television shapes the way many of us talk about politics ourselves. And that’s unfortunate.
Thanks to this special election on the West Coast, we have in full view two of the reasons why families find it so difficult to have rational conversations about politics when they gather for Thanksgiving dinner: (1) people don’t listen to each other and (2) they talk past each other.
Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but there is no such thing as a real candidate debate any more. When opposing candidates appear side by side in front of television camera these days, they almost never answer their opponent’s arguments in an attempt to win debating points.
Instead, their responses are carefully crafted to pivot on any topic and direct an appeal to a group of voters who have a special interest in the issue. Moderators almost always let them get away with this. So, political debates don’t give you a clash of views. They give you a clash of TV commercials.
I wish there was cause to believe Cali voters will actually vote to recall Newsom.
Vote for Larry Elder
There is cause...if the vote were fair. If Newsom gets less than 50% he is gone. Elder only needs to get the most votes out of more than ten candidates. It is how Arnold Schwarzenegger won.
Wonderfully stated argument in that article. Good post.
Cut the HEAD off of the snake; not the tail!!
The corollary to this is, "We agree to create problems, but we disagree which problems to create."
That is part of the cycle in the age of let no crisis go to waste. Republicans have failed for years to solve problems when they held control of congress and the executive. They like those problems. They fund raise off those problems. When fund raising diminishes after donors get tired of hearing about the same problems, they invent new ones, or they let their Democrat betters invent new ones. This gives the donors a break from hearing about long term, never solved problems. They only resurrect the never solved problems when the masses get really ticked off.
Like Donald Trump I think Elder is running to get something done. I think the RATs are going to steal this Election by making sure Newsome gets over 50%. Elder is too much of a threat for the RATs to let him win. They might even find a way to kill him to make sure he does not get much of a chance to prove the steal.
I don’t think you are wrong but wonder if Elder has the gravitas to win
He makes currently running pain reliever commercials
Kookifornicate Dems are the Rats that don’t flee the sinking ship. I have a former co worker who lives there, a Trump hater extraordinarily so. She clings to her wicked DemoRat party and blindly defends them as if they were her own children. Pains me that she’s so blind and stupidly stuck on her Demonic Rats because otherwise I like her and wish her the best but her demigod Rats lead her astray and blinded she goes loyalty with them.
Have you ever listened to Elder on the radio? The man is pure gravitas! He’s been a Conservative activist his whole life and has become an expert at winning arguments.
No, I confess I have not
If iElder wins it will mean he won around 2/3 of the legitimate the fraud is going to be massive
In California the RATs have a 31 seat advantage due to their crooked voting machine. If Elder cleans that up they lose the House.
Elder is a brilliant and dedicated BLACK conservative. He threatens the RAT plantation like no other man before him. This is perhaps the biggest threat of all to the RATs. He could end up being a bigger threat to their Communist Revolution than even Donald Trump! They have already labeled him as the black face of White Supremacy! How desperate is that!?
Nice of Mr. Goodman to include Larry in this generalization. I have listened to Larry Elder for almost twenty years. Larry is focused on policies. When he attacks individuals it is for the policies they has promulgated or executed. He is an excellent debater and does not put up with mindless name calling. He has the gravitas to win.
boy that would stir the pot on facebook
already did
California voter test bookie not taking any odds.
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