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Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination
The Guardian ^ | 07/27/2021 | David Spiegelhalter, Anthony Masters

Posted on 08/12/2021 8:11:23 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

Don’t think of this as a bad sign, it’s exactly what’s expected from an effective but imperfect jab

A MailOnline headline on 13 June read: “Study shows 29% of the 42 people who have died after catching the new strain had BOTH vaccinations.” In Public Health England’s technical briefing on 25 June, that figure had risen to 43% (50 of 117), with the majority (60%) having received at least one dose.

It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated., Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it! it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.

Consider the hypothetical world where absolutely everyone had received a less than perfect vaccine. Although the death rate would be low, everyone who died would have been fully vaccinated…

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: covid; trumpvaccine; vaccination; vaccines
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Most people who now die with Covid in England have had a [COVID] vaccination. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it!

The comforting thing about living in a Socialist Society is that our Socialist Leaders are never wrong, never make mistakes, and are the sole source of truth!

1 posted on 08/12/2021 8:11:23 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
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The British elderly who took the vaccine violated the Patton rule in the war against Covid:

The object of war is not for you to die for your country, it is to get the other b*&^% to die for his.

;-)
2 posted on 08/12/2021 8:15:45 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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In Israel they are seeing the same covid hospitalization rate now as at this time last year, except now 80% of them have been vaxxed.


3 posted on 08/12/2021 8:18:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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Most people who now die with Covid in England have had a [COVID] vaccination. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it!

It's keeping the death count up, and that's a good thing! [insane][/sarc]

4 posted on 08/12/2021 8:21:10 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Elderly people, vaccinated or not, are going to die.

Morbidly obese people, vaccinated or not, are going to die younger than healthy people.

5 posted on 08/12/2021 8:22:14 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Ideologues or cultists or psychotics think everything confirms their delusions.


6 posted on 08/12/2021 8:24:05 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: circlecity

This in serious condition is 62% that are vaccinated. This is not good because 32% of unvaccinated are in the hospital-—yet they keep blaming the unvaccinated and keep telling people to get the vaccine. I’m staying with natural immunity because I think the vaccine trashes the natural immunity-—for one and #2, because our media nad government keeps ignoring it!

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-hits-400-serious-covid-cases-ahead-of-corona-cabinet-meeting-676412


7 posted on 08/12/2021 8:24:15 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Man the utter stupidity is thick in that article.


8 posted on 08/12/2021 8:25:24 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I think what they are getting at is (1) the profile of those dying - age and comorbidities - is not greatly different than before, and (2) that same profile, at least by age, represents a larger share of the vaccinated, compared to the younger age groups.

However, even if true, it calls into question the real effectiveness of the vaccine if those most vulnerable to Covid-19 (by age and comorbidities) are also those still most of whom are dying with it.


9 posted on 08/12/2021 8:29:18 AM PDT by Wuli
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Maybe all they got was a saline solution.....................


10 posted on 08/12/2021 8:30:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Pollard

11 posted on 08/12/2021 8:36:09 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“Cases” are WAY up. Deaths are WAY down. This variant hysteria is nothing but . . . hysteria.

https://www.google.com/search?q=coronavirus+england+deaths&rlz=1C1AVFC_enUS779US780&ei=qT8VYZ-RBcim-wSNqZfgAg&oq=coronavirus+england+deaths&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgUIABCGAzIFCAAQhgM6BwgAEEcQsAM6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgkIABDJAxAWEB46CAgAEBYQChAeSgQIQRgAUKgBWKYhYMAkaABwA3gAgAHmAYgB4Q-SAQYyLjEwLjOYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjfiYfV56vyAhVI054KHY3UBSwQ4dUDCA4&uact=5


12 posted on 08/12/2021 8:37:09 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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The “vaccines” are working. They are a cure for Wuhan flu hysteria, not a vaccine for the flu. Hysteria sufferers who get the vaccine overcome their hysteria, drop their precautions and get the flu. The success of the vaccinations is measured by the number of vaccinated who get the flu.


13 posted on 08/12/2021 8:39:47 AM PDT by TheDon (Resist the usurpers)
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It's keeping the death count up, and that's a good thing! [insane][/sarc

NOBODY HAS TO DIE AND NOBODY NEEDS TO BE VACCINATED.

The two doctors in this article say they have treated >6,000 COVID-19 patients and nobody has died. I am one of them and I have referred around a dozen people to get treatment.

Dr Zelenko in a recent interview has also treated around 6,000 COVID-19 patients with almost NO deaths and MOST recover at home.

What are these doctors doing that Fraud Fauci and his CDC aren't doing? The problem is the majority of idiots with medical degree are following the CDC and frauds like Fauci.

What these doctors who are having almost PERFECT success is that they are treating SYMPTOMS EARLY! The virus is EASILY stopped from replicating IF YOU TREAT W/IN the FIRST FIVE DAYS. Wait and go to the ER and the idiots with medical degrees will be way behind the curve.

You can see the OTC supplements that will PREVENT the virus from getting started, and if you do get symptoms, a couple of prescription drugs will stop the virus from replicating.

Or you can wait for your lips to turn blue due to low O2. YES, FRAUD FAUCI recomended to stay at home and don't treat until it gets worse. I'm NOT KIDDING.

ARTICLE LISTING OTC PREVENTION and PRESCRIPTION TREATMENT

I know of a few idiots who ignored this information and are now DEAD. Take a few inexpensive pills OR wait at home and treat it like a cold.

14 posted on 08/12/2021 8:42:01 AM PDT by politicianslie ( We will NEVER be a communist country-President Trump)
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Typical socialist double speak. Just like 'anthropogenic global warming' caused the record cold weather in February 2021.

As Orwell wrote in 1984:
"War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength."

Leftists lie as a habit, only speaking the truth (partially, anyway) when caught.

To borrow a line from Samuel Langhorne Clemens, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, and then there is anything said by a sociaist!"

15 posted on 08/12/2021 8:44:34 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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Can’t wait for WaPo to weigh in with one of those “You’re Jabbed and Dying, And That’s a Good Thing” articles.


16 posted on 08/12/2021 8:44:57 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Dying WITH COVID (as in a phoney baloney PCR test)...

...or dying OF COVID?

Makes a huge difference!


17 posted on 08/12/2021 8:54:03 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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Study Finds The Most Highly-Educated Americans Are Also The Most Vaccine-Hesitant - (higher IQ's)
18 posted on 08/12/2021 8:57:54 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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I got my sarc tag ready and came here to say “That means it’s working” - but the article said it for me!!!

🤡🌎


19 posted on 08/12/2021 9:02:51 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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SOMEWHAT HESITANT.

Lowest among most educated with bachelors or masters.

Other data shows that least vaccinated in US is those on Medicare.


20 posted on 08/12/2021 9:05:42 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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