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A Covid Vaccine Crossroads: You can oppose government mandates but still favor mass vaccination.
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 15, 2021 | WSJ Editorial Board

Posted on 07/18/2021 7:32:58 AM PDT by karpov

Vaccines are the great success of the pandemic. Americans should be celebrating these breakthrough innovations that U.S. industry produced at breakneck speed. But instead even vaccines are becoming another front in the culture war.

About 65% of Americans over the age of 12 and nearly 90% of those 65 and older have received at least one dose. Widespread inoculations have resulted in plunging cases, hospitalizations and deaths in recent months even as most states lifted their lockdowns and mask mandates.

Cases have fallen by some 90% and hospitalizations nearly as much since their January peak. Deaths are 95% lower, and hospitals have more room to admit less ill patients. Returns are diminishing on each new vaccination as herd immunity approaches, but the societal goal should still be to vaccinate as many adults as possible. The more vaccinations, the lower the chance that breakouts this fall and winter could burden the hospital system and result in lockdowns.

Most Americans believe the personal benefits from vaccination outweigh the potential risks. Governments haven’t needed to resort to coercion, though some have tried to prod people with financial incentives. Yet the question now is what to do about the third of Americans who haven’t been vaccinated, especially as the Delta variant spreads.

Experts have been guilty of overplaying the risk of new variants to justify lockdowns. But the Delta variant deserves special caution. It is estimated to be more than twice as contagious as the original strain. The Pfizer vaccine is also between 10% and 30% less effective in blocking transmission of the variant, though it still appears to be more than 90% protective against severe illness.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: covid; covidvaccine; faucivirus; fearporn; notarealvaccine; trumpvaccine; vaccine; vaccinenazis
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To: karpov

Buried Truth: CDC Reports More Covid Vaccine Deaths than Covid Deaths Over the Last Two Weeks

https://basedunderground.com/2021/07/18/buried-truth-cdc-reports-more-covid-vaccine-deaths-than-covid-deaths-over-the-last-two-weeks/


41 posted on 07/18/2021 8:25:56 AM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists.)
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To: fireman15
What the hell is wrong with virtue signaling idiots who have had the vaccine and now insist that everyone else takes it

I have four possible explanations.

1. Buyers remorse, fueling a desire to be surrounded by more vaxxed folks so they feel better/that everything will be ok.

2. They are True believers.

3. They're plants.

4. The messenger RNA has messed with their minds. I've noticed a LOT of people behaving strangely, at work and at play. Maybe it's because we've spent 30+ days in the hole....Or maybe the shots have messed people up bigly.

42 posted on 07/18/2021 8:25:57 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: fireman15

What if:

What if the long term effects are near certain death or chronic disease?

We don’t know if that is true or not.

But 2/3rds of Americans are in the TEST group.

What could possibly go wrong?


43 posted on 07/18/2021 8:27:42 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Critical Race Theory: black behavior is so bad it must be whitey's fault.)
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To: zipper

I saw the other day that the Brits were reporting that 60% of their current covid deaths were vax’d.


44 posted on 07/18/2021 8:28:25 AM PDT by marron
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To: DoodleBob

That was very well written. Thank you for posting.

I would like to point out, also, that the worldwide release of this virus was likely deliberate and absolutely no efforts have been made to insure against future releases of more viruses.

To me, this is the more important issue.


45 posted on 07/18/2021 8:29:19 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: DoodleBob

100% agree


46 posted on 07/18/2021 8:34:57 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: Celerity

It’s not even a vaccine.


47 posted on 07/18/2021 8:35:24 AM PDT by doc maverick
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To: DoodleBob

“The decline in case and fatalities since January coincided with the rollout of the shots. However, it can also be shown that this virus follows the seasonal/bad in the winter pattern of influenza, so correlation doesn’t mean causality.”


Yup. And the gaslighting is the tell. There is a MASSIVE online effort at pushing the ‘vaccines’.

Some dumbass University of Oregon academics thought they’d try to figure out why there were still ‘vaccine’ holdouts in the state, publishing their results that Gov. Brown was the LEAST trusted source of information.

Considering the politics of most all of the holdouts, I award the UO researchers the ubiquitous dunce cap.

But now they’ll spend more public funds recruiting doctors to do ads promoting the medical experiments and fear porn.


48 posted on 07/18/2021 8:36:37 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: marron

Yep, it does. My guess is the mRNA type could be developed more quickly.

In hindsight, they probably should have developed a traditional vaccine in parallel. That way if the new type failed, there would be a fallback, albeit with possibly delayed delivery. And of course it would be acceptable to the large slice of the population that has turned out to be wary of the new type.


49 posted on 07/18/2021 8:36:44 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: DoodleBob

100% agree

Except maybe, I don’t think the other side is smart enough to pre-plan this.
They’re just taking advantage of opportunities as they appear.


50 posted on 07/18/2021 8:37:00 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: karpov
Widespread inoculations have resulted in plunging cases...

Correlation is not causation.

People who believe in real science know this.

Propagandists do as well, but they are in the pretend-science business.

51 posted on 07/18/2021 8:40:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: Flick Lives

And, the same mindset is driving this holocaust to be. Might as well be based on skin color — oh, mebbe it is.


52 posted on 07/18/2021 8:41:07 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: karpov

On another thread it says hospitals are packed with covid patients. It can’t be both ways.


53 posted on 07/18/2021 8:41:58 AM PDT by dforest (huh)
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To: phoneman08

Oh that’s right...the Chinese vax is the traditional kind. Doesn’t seem to be very effective though. I wonder if that’s because China botched it or if there’s something inherent in that type that makes it less effective.


54 posted on 07/18/2021 8:42:47 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: karpov

“Since my children and I have been vaccinated, we have felt more comfortable...”

People who have been “vaccinated” make up 47% of the new Covid cases in Great Britain.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/new-uk-study-people-vaccinated-make-47-new-covid-cases/

Good luck over the next three years with the “vaccine” side-effects.


55 posted on 07/18/2021 8:42:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: karpov

If this were a vaccine I’d be indifferent at best. But, since it does not prevent re-infection and transmission to others it is worthless for that purpose. It minimizes the potential impact of infection on the one who gets the jab. That is all. It does nothing to promote herd immunity. And, that is why masks are still being promoted. Well, part of the reason. Let’s face it (no pun) most masks are made in China and the CCP puppets pushing this crappola are on the hook to continue the revenue.


56 posted on 07/18/2021 8:44:10 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo, WuhanFlu)
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To: karpov

WSJ = the paper of big business, never reliably conservative.

Threee key points are almost always excluded from discussions over whether to get vaccinated.

First, natural immunity is almost always ignored. If you think it is a close call, why not try to find out whether you have been previously infected. If you have, that lowers the risk (we don’t know how much) of remaining unvaccinated. Our overlords do not want this information to risk swaying anyone against vaccination so they discourage or ignore antibody testing.

Second, herd immunity. We would probably reach herd immunity faster with no vaccine at all. Regardless, we are clearly moving towards it.

Third, the risk presented by Covid across populations is not uniform. The vaccine hype machine consistently pretends otherwise. If you aren’t elderly or fat, well you don’t face the same risks that those who are do. And if you are fat, well time to get inspired to to get fit!

Finally, they are coming for the children.


57 posted on 07/18/2021 8:46:45 AM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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To: ConservativeMind

Stories like that make me wonder if your older relative didn’t really have COVID at all … but instead showed up a “false positive” because he/she was actually infected with something else from the large family of coronaviruses that include many things no worse than the common cold.


58 posted on 07/18/2021 8:46:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: karpov
Big Brother says that if you shun vaccine you are a mindless lemming.
Trust Big brother.
Always.


59 posted on 07/18/2021 8:47:52 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Alberta's Child

He’s got antibodies to COVID-19 now.


60 posted on 07/18/2021 8:48:22 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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