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Pollard: Jews ‘will always have dual loyalty’ & should consider spying for Israel
The Times of Israel ^ | March 25, 2021 | Jacob Magid

Posted on 03/26/2021 8:40:22 AM PDT by Trump20162020

Convicted spy laments US Jews see themselves as more American than Jewish, suggests he’d counsel Jew working in American security apparatus to spy for Israel even now

Jonathan Pollard, the convicted spy for Israel whose story haunted the American Jewish community’s relations with the US government for decades, is unrepentant.

“The bottom line on this charge of dual loyalty is, I’m sorry, we’re Jews, and if we’re Jews, we will always have dual loyalty,” Pollard said in an interview published Thursday in Israel Hayom, his first extensive remarks since his release from prison in 2015.

Pollard recalled how much of the Jewish leadership did not stand up for him following his 1985 arrest, when he was a civilian analyst for the US Navy who was found to be spying for Israel.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: espionage; israel; jew; jewish; jews; jonathanpollard; pollard; spy; spying
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To: Seruzawa

Dr.Oz the TV doctor has dual citizenship with Turkey and US and is Muslim.

Trend of dual citizenship is up.

Very few Jews have it.

Are Catholics supposed to fear being called tools of the Roman Pope working for their faith rather than America as when John F. Kennedy ran?

Sick stuff.

A few dual citizenship people:
Charlize Theron, Angelina Jolie, Emily Blunt,Jim Carrey, Sandra Bullock, Ludacris, Arnold Schwartzenegger,Elon Musk, Kim Catrall,Nicole Kidman, Olivia Wilde....many more.


21 posted on 03/26/2021 9:02:43 AM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud, harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: Trump20162020

No relation and I’m not Jewish


22 posted on 03/26/2021 9:04:20 AM PDT by Pollard (Bunch of curmudgeons)
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To: Trump20162020

Meh.

Pollard was a spy for Australia (yes) and China for money.


23 posted on 03/26/2021 9:07:12 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Trump20162020

Meh.

Pollard was a spy for Australia (yes) and China for money.

Oh, and Pakistan.


24 posted on 03/26/2021 9:09:56 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Trump20162020

““The bottom line on this charge of dual loyalty is, I’m sorry, we’re Jews, and if we’re Jews, we will always have dual loyalty,” Pollard said in an interview published Thursday”

Then if you have ANY loyalty for the U.S. you would not take a U.S. government job requiring a security clearance. By doing so and then engaging in spying for a foreign county it is a kick in the teeth to our country.

This guy should never have been let out of the can.


25 posted on 03/26/2021 9:10:02 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (Election Fraud Deniers--Won't follow the science, won't follow the law.)
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To: Jewbacca

The point is once you spy and give away information, even to an “ally”, the fact is you have lost control of that information, and it could wind up getting in the hands of anyone at that point.


26 posted on 03/26/2021 9:11:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: frank ballenger

As I understand it, the US does not recognize dual citizenship. Which means you may have dual citizenship with another country, that’s the other’s country’s business not the US. US citizenship here is what matters the other citisenship is legally to the US almost a club membership. I have been told that primarily it means you can travel on another passport. I am not sure if there’s a legal liability if you use another passport to travel to a US travel banned country. There maybe be a theoretical liability, but like many things in law & diplomancy if you maintain the “proper forms of the law (didn’t use a US passport)” it would likely be ignored.


27 posted on 03/26/2021 9:12:47 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Trump20162020

I still object to this traitor not being executed and I object to his being released. He should be in jail or in the ground.


28 posted on 03/26/2021 9:12:55 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Buy American, Hire American! End All Worker Visa Programs. Replace Visa Workers w/ American Worker)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Being Catholic is not dual citizenship. I don’t have Vatican or Catholic citizenship, nor passport.


29 posted on 03/26/2021 9:16:35 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Buy American, Hire American! End All Worker Visa Programs. Replace Visa Workers w/ American Worker)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Baptists spy for Liberty University? Methodists spy for Cuba?


30 posted on 03/26/2021 9:19:38 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (What if the Lord sent COVID-19 to immunize the world from something more deadly?)
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To: Meatspace

I used to think just like you did.

In fact, I held a TS Codeword(s) clearance for many years while on active duty. When it came to spies; no mercy.

But then the US government changed...

After the Cold War we were foisted into fighting Islamic Fundamentalism and tyrants like Saddam Hussein.

But Hussein was actually keeping the Fundies under control. After he was gone, all Hell broke out.

Was it wise to defeat him?

Then came the government’s switch from external threats to domestic. It didn’t happen overnight, but Clinton, Obama and yes, even Dubya Bush gave them power and orders to do so.

Then came Assuage and Snowden. Were they spies?

I see them now as whistle blowers on the most corrupt and tyrannical government agencies in American history. And now the military is looking for Right-wing Insurgents...

The whole apparatus needs to be torn down and rebuilt with far more safeguards.


31 posted on 03/26/2021 9:23:09 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: Meatspace
And America’s single loyalty is to put the people who spy against the United States into prison.

Anybody who spies against the United States should be shot and their families charged for the bullets. Why should the US taxpayers pay for their extended sojourn in prison.

32 posted on 03/26/2021 9:24:06 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Trump20162020
"I’m sorry, we’re Jews, and if we’re Jews, we will always have dual loyalty."

Kind of odd to see this @sshole vindicate the Europeans in their attitude about Jews in the years leading up to the Third Reich.

33 posted on 03/26/2021 9:24:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Trump20162020

Given how many American Jews seem to resent the existence of Israel at all, I doubt he’ll find many takers for his spy thing.


34 posted on 03/26/2021 9:28:30 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Given how many American Jews seem to resent the existence of Israel at all

Exactly, some think all Jews must love Israel. That is not the case at all. It goes back to the days in Europe of the Socialist Bundists vs. the Zionists. The Bundists abhorred the idea of a Jewish State, because they felt that it went against the goal of a global Socialist Revolution by confining Jews into one country. Plus they mostly were atheists, so they had little connection to the Jewish religion.

35 posted on 03/26/2021 9:30:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: frank ballenger

Until the horrific Warren court ruled in 1967’s Afroyim v. Rusk case, dual citizenship was not allowed. It overturned a prior precedent, Perez V. Brownwell, that stated US citizenship could be revoked if an American voted in a foreign election. If Perez v. Brown well could be disregarded, then so should the Warren court’s ruling.

No dual allegiances for any American. We should be citizens of one nation, not of the world.


36 posted on 03/26/2021 9:37:08 AM PDT by two134711
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To: Reily

I was born and raised (mostly) in Israel with American parents who did not acquire Israeli citizenship until I was well pay 18.

Served in the Israeli military, and, in fact, still serve in the reserves.

I hold US citizenship and Israeli citizenship, and have a very high security clearance because I work for a defense contractor. Now the secrets I have (related to fighter jets, actually secret stuff) generally originated in Israel as that is where the company is that makes the secret stuff.

But there are complications. Like I couldn’t read the English version of the manual I translated to English from Hebrew despite being the author. So I used the Hebrew version to teach a class where the students used an English version. Still mad about that one.

Also very complex tax returns.


37 posted on 03/26/2021 9:37:18 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Reno89519

Exactly how I see it.


38 posted on 03/26/2021 9:49:17 AM PDT by rlmorel ("I’d rather enjoy a risky freedom than a safe servitude." Robby Dinero, USMC Veteran, Gym Owner)
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To: dfwgator; Jewbacca

Yes. Once information is in the hands of a third party, it is fungible and may be used for information barter with unfriendly entities, with no thought to the bearing of the information on the country where it originated.

That SOB should have been executed.


39 posted on 03/26/2021 9:51:28 AM PDT by rlmorel ("I’d rather enjoy a risky freedom than a safe servitude." Robby Dinero, USMC Veteran, Gym Owner)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Concur. Lest we fall into that war the book title comes from.


40 posted on 03/26/2021 10:00:45 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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