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A Different Type of Secession Is Already Happening in the USA
Townhall.com ^ | January 31, 2021 | Jeff Crouere

Posted on 01/31/2021 5:55:31 AM PST by Kaslin

Lately, there has been so much frustration with the last election and the direction of our country that some Trump supporters have been talking about “secession.” Many conservatives and libertarians are asking if it makes sense for certain states to leave the union the way South Carolina left in 1860, after the election of Abraham Lincoln as president of the United States.

Whether it makes “sense” or not, we can be assured that it will not happen. Although the South Carolina state legislature voted in November of 1860 to initiate the process of secession, no state legislature would do that today. This is because most modern state legislatures, even conservative ones, do not have many members who are angry enough at the federal government to support seceding from it.

Never forget that many individual state legislators are professional politicians. They may disagree with some of the policies that flow from Washington D.C., but they are not angry enough to vote for secession, and that is what is required to secede, anger. While an official secession will not happen, there will be a different type. In fact, it has already started in our country.

Instead of state legislatures, dominated by urban dwellers, voting for secession, Americans who live in rural and some suburban areas are executing a secession of their own. They are disassociating themselves from the lifestyles, cultural mores, laws, and self-inflicted wounds exhibited in our large cities.

Of course, rural Americans are already living in areas removed from large cities, but geography is only one of the many differences. An even more striking distinction involves political ideology and attitudes on an array of issues like criminal justice.

Citizens living outside of ultra-progressive urban areas do not accept what is going on in large cities. Surely, the thinking is, “I am not one of them. They are different from me. We do not agree on basic things, like what laws should govern human conduct.”

This mental disassociation did not exist in previous times of crisis in our country. There was much more national unity in December of 1941 or even September of 2001. At that time, rural Americans and city dwellers still had many shared values and followed the same laws. Clearly, the similarity in culture and politics between rural and urban Americans is dying, and the pace of its death march is quickening.

This same type of disassociation is also felt by many Americans living in suburban areas. They recognize their way of life is incompatible with that exhibited in large cities. This results in suburban dwellers venturing into cities less often. Once there, they feel unsafe and unwelcome. According to the FBI, crime rates in our urban areas are significantly higher than in suburban and rural areas.

More crime is not the only difference Americans notice in large cities. There are also different laws regarding decency, civility, and cleanliness. Unfortunately, manners and traditional customs are rarely, if ever, practiced.

Many horrific things can happen to you in a large city without warning. You can be struck from behind in a “Knockout Attack” or wounded by a stray bullet. You can be surrounded by violent demonstrators who scream at you and call you evil because of your wealth, race, religious views, or political beliefs. This is not a place that feels comfortable or feels like home.   

Over the past few decades, millions of Americans who support traditional American values, and even some who value safety, have already left our large cities. They are disgusted with the political corruption, high taxes, racial politics, homelessness and, over the past year, the excessive Covid-19 lockdown orders. 

People leaving are also those who value their second amendment rights. They do not want to be charged with a crime if they have to defend their home. Who can forget what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey in St. Louis?

On June 28, 2020, their neighborhood was overrun by protesters and a mob was descending on the McCloskey’s home. The couple waved firearms in front of their home to encourage the protesters to leave. No gun was ever fired at any of the trespassers. Incredibly, Mr. and Mrs. McCloskey were charged with the unlawful use of a weapon even though they feared for their lives. If convicted, they could face up to four years in prison and a fine of $10,000.

As this trend continues and cities like St. Louis, Detroit, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Washington D.C., and New York City decline even more, these areas will simultaneously become more similar. They already have much in common politically. Future cooperation will likely continue on issues such as drug legalization, the treatment of homelessness, gun control, permissive law enforcement, and providing a sanctuary and support for illegal aliens. With so much commonality, these cities will forge even closer bonds in the days ahead.

With unworkable policies and massive bureaucracies, these cities will need greater and greater subsidies from productive, tax-paying citizens living in rural and suburban America. Urban areas have been failing financially for many years, but as the policies become more progressive, the costs are escalating even higher.

In large cities, politicians spend vast sums of money on enormous municipal government systems which include inefficient departments featuring payrolls that are too large and too expensive. Other characteristics include broken infrastructure, rampant homelessness, and an overly generous municipal pension system.

How much longer will productive taxpayers living in rural and suburban communities agree to subsidize large cities? Sooner or later, these citizens will say “Enough is enough, we want out!” They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America” with their own laws and lifestyles.

Simultaneously, Americans living in non-urban areas will want to forge closer bonds of their own as similarities are recognized even more. 

The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; dividednation; rural; secession; urban; whencitiesdie; whencountriesdie
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To: Kaslin
This same type of disassociation is also felt by many Americans living in suburban areas. They recognize their way of life is incompatible with that exhibited in large cities. This results in suburban dwellers venturing into cities less often. Once there, they feel unsafe and unwelcome.

I'm almost 70 years old. I've felt that way since I was a kiddo. It's not only unsafe, it's revolting and disgusting.

61 posted on 01/31/2021 7:52:41 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: itsahoot

MOST rural dwellers have their own well.


62 posted on 01/31/2021 7:56:05 AM PST by ridesthemiles ( )
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To: Buttons12
I agree, and if we want to avoid that war we can do so by withdrawing financial support from the fed govt. We have enabled them, we can disable them. It wouldn't be convenient but a civil war is much more inconvenient. Go Galt.

While I agree exiting the fed money would be a good start. I don't see a way states will do that.

63 posted on 01/31/2021 8:09:58 AM PST by Fzob
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To: ConservativeInPA
Starve them of resources. Deny them your products and services. Decide to do business only with those that share your values.

So, if you are a plumber and you receive a call asking you to repair a busted water line in someone's kitchen, how do you determine if they are in your clan or not?

64 posted on 01/31/2021 8:16:47 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: gitmo
So, if you are a plumber and you receive a call asking you to repair a busted water line in someone's kitchen, how do you determine if they are in your clan or not?

That’s what the butt crack’s for...

65 posted on 01/31/2021 8:18:34 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: Kaslin
I don't see the point here. No matter how we frame running from the democrat ruined cities as "secession", the fact is that with the dems in complete control of the government, their policies will impact all of us no matter where we run.

Short of a significant event, I don't see us escaping the dems agenda.

66 posted on 01/31/2021 8:23:07 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Still praying for our country and President Trump)
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To: gitmo
So, if you are a plumber and you receive a call asking you to repair a busted water line in someone's kitchen, how do you determine if they are in your clan or not?

It's not a perfect solution, but one way is for all conservative plumbers to move out of cities which would increase the odds that you are not fixing some leaky leftist's pipe. That would be a form of secession - separating yourself.

67 posted on 01/31/2021 8:23:12 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” ― Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cgbg
I encourage folks to imagine life without electricity by going through their day, each small step at a time.

I have stocked up on candles and lanterns so I can post on Free Republic when there is no electricity.

68 posted on 01/31/2021 8:23:28 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: ridesthemiles

When I lived in the Appalachians, we had our own well. But we needed electricity to pump the water to the house. I imagine we could have installed a hand pump and carried water. But I’m too old for that now.


69 posted on 01/31/2021 8:26:34 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: exDemMom
Covid-19 has killed 439,536 people in the US so far. This is nearly 9 times as many people as influenza killed in 2018, the most recent year with finalized data. Covid-19 is NOT a flu; the virus that causes Covid-19 is a coronavirus, meaning that Covid-19 is related to colds, not flu, although it is much more serious.

That count can only be understood correctly if the concept of "comorbidities" is included. We don't count flu and Covid deaths the same way at all.

70 posted on 01/31/2021 8:27:04 AM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Fzob

Red states often accede to the will of the people.
It’s that will we may be short on.


71 posted on 01/31/2021 8:28:52 AM PST by Buttons12 ( )
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To: Kaslin; All

Latest on SUPEREVIL BBREAKING...

WHITMER suggesting MSU students should “primarily STAY IN THEIR RESIDENCES”

MSU in Lansing right at the HEART OF THE BEAST OF STATE GOV

FY’ALL INFOBUMP


72 posted on 01/31/2021 8:41:26 AM PST by PGalt (confirmed: past peak civilization)
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To: Pontiac

SEE #72


73 posted on 01/31/2021 8:42:04 AM PST by PGalt (confirmed: past peak civilization)
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To: cgbg

“Little House
On The Prairie”
Meet
“Mad Max!”


74 posted on 01/31/2021 8:42:18 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Be Still and Know that I Am God. Rev 19)
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To: gitmo

I rub my legs together like
A Cricket to light my
Marlboro’s.


75 posted on 01/31/2021 8:45:33 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Be Still and Know that I Am God. Rev 19)
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To: cgbg
Your Covid posts are fear porn at its worst.

Fear porn, really?

Like the signs at Yellowstone warning you not to go near bear dens in the spring?

Like the warnings to leave coastal cities when a hurricane is expected to make landfall in the area?

Like the road detour signs put up to route you around a collapsed bridge?

Like that kind of fear porn?

There is a huge difference between using bogeymen (like the white supremacists lurking behind every corner) to instill fear and obtain compliance and giving people an accurate assessment of a risk along with guidelines on how to mitigate it.

As of today, there are 439,536 people in the US dead from Covid-19, and the death rate rose again, to 1.686%. In the past 24 hours, 2,695 people died--this is more than die daily from abortion or heart disease (our previous #1 and #2 killers). Those dead people were real people who actually existed.

76 posted on 01/31/2021 8:45:48 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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To: PGalt

From what I have read about Whitless I am not surprised.

When much of the country is considering loosening restrictions she is ready to double down.

If Michigan ever elects a Democrat again they deserve what they get.


77 posted on 01/31/2021 8:54:24 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Kaslin

Secession is a copout. A time waster to cover the moral cowardice on display when our Country was stolen right before our eyes and...Nothing.

Those who failed to rise against a stolen election won’t have any more steel in their spines to back up secession.


78 posted on 01/31/2021 8:57:19 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: exDemMom
Those who fell for the conspiracies and misinformation hurt Trump just as much as any vile leftist could hurt him.

Well isn't that special? Would you please calm the F down?!. . .as if we need more COVID hysteria? We get it, believe me. . but excuse us if we choose not to join you in the fetal position under your desk in the basement.

And here's another thing. . .could you take your COVID hysteria to a relevant thread and bloviate there, please. My brief COVID reference was a throw-away line pertaining to a totally different discussion.

I guess it also demonstrates that even though someone may be an ex Dem, they still may struggle with basic logic when their emotions take control.

79 posted on 01/31/2021 8:59:03 AM PST by McBuff (To be, rather than to seem)
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To: PeterPrinciple

After you reach for your gun, what do you tell me?”””

“Law” that no sane sonofabitch will even think about dismissing...


80 posted on 01/31/2021 9:01:48 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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