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To: Hojczyk

I have mixed feelings on this. But we have to do something to wake these establishment Republicans.


2 posted on 01/25/2021 2:33:36 PM PST by Hildy (In an unforgiving world, only the shameless survive.)
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To: Hildy

Does anyone remember the Whig party?

NOPE!

MAKE REPUBLICANS WHIGS AGAIN!


14 posted on 01/25/2021 2:39:30 PM PST by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: Hildy

They are too arrogant to listen. They need to learn the hard way.


29 posted on 01/25/2021 2:44:20 PM PST by stratboy
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To: Hildy

At one time I was dead set against a 3rd party, as you say, supporting the GOP establishment has not worked so we have to do something different.

If it requires allowing the Democrats to win until we get the Republican Establishment destroyed, so be it...

I’m open to suggestions to other alternatives, but right now I don’t see anything that’s is remotely viable.


36 posted on 01/25/2021 2:45:59 PM PST by srmanuel
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To: Hildy

Let’s follow the President, par excellence, George Washington’s example on political parties. Time for a real reset.


44 posted on 01/25/2021 2:47:32 PM PST by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: Hildy

I say primary NeverTrumpers and reform the GOP into a MAGA party.

The most formidable third party challenge by Ross Perot back in 1992 took 19%, mostly from otherwise Republican voters.
This left Bush 41 with 38% and enabled Slick Willie Clinton to win with just 43%.

Hopefully, PDJT will hold rallies for his MAGA candidates and flip both houses of Congress, paving the way for his triumphant return to the WH in 2024!!!


55 posted on 01/25/2021 2:50:25 PM PST by edie1960
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To: Hildy

Working within the party has been a failure for 30 years. If this is what it takes to break up the GOP exclusive club so be it. Conservatives should already have a clue the GOPE is not going away voluntarily and loyalty is a one way street with them.

Conceivable two election cycles could regulate the GOP to libertarian party status at the presidential level, if Trump keeps pounding the GOP. I suspect he will decide to work from within the GOP at first, and see that it won’t work and by 2024 he will start a Patriot party.

The down side is the Democrats keep winning and screwing up the country but consider the Democrats have lost to the Bushes twice and lost control of Congress to the Republicans and still got their agenda moved forward, it only stopping with the Reagan and Trump years. The GOPE knows conservatives fear this and trot this line out every time conservatives get fed up with their lies and are ready to bolt.

The GOPE sunshine pumpers on FR come out with regularity to do this with prompt regularity, and right back to the abuser the conservatives go for more abuse. I’ll pass on this abuse from the GOP, to hell with their little club. The GOP changes dramatically and actually does something besides talk and promise or my vote is gone after 40 years.


69 posted on 01/25/2021 2:53:17 PM PST by sarge83
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To: Hildy

Most here are orgasmic over this news. Nothing says support of something then a permanent democratic government. They clearly learned nothing from 1992. The tea party fizzled. There is a reason only two parties have survived.


82 posted on 01/25/2021 2:57:05 PM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016 )
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To: Hildy

A third party is a poor idea.

But openly run as a subgroup (”Patriot Republicans”) in the party works.

We just have to not let fakes into the subgroup, as happened with the TEA party.


90 posted on 01/25/2021 2:59:26 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: Hildy
I have mixed feelings on this. But we have to do something to wake these establishment Republicans.

I have very mixed feelings about a 3rd party attempt. You have to go in, and have a full slate, and all regions. That would take a LOT more than Trump.

That said, warnings after reactions against McCain, Romney, being ignored, and then Trump being attacked overtly and covertly, and the Never-Trumpers (e.g. "Lincoln" group) NOT being drummed out, tells me that they will NEVER be woken up. I wish it were otherwise. It is more practical to take over an existing structure, and we have the bodies, but it will be more than a two or four year project, and much will be lost in the meantime. Especially if elections are stolen more or less at will.
95 posted on 01/25/2021 3:02:06 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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I think this is all likely a classic Trump leverage move. The GOP sees that Trump can destroy their party if he wants and if they aren’t nice to him he’ll do it. That’s the stick. The carrot is that if they did treat him well he’ll stay in the GOP and help them. But not if they keep up efforts to help Dems label him a treasonous pariah.


102 posted on 01/25/2021 3:05:08 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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It looks to me like a Trump negotiating tactic. If the GOP holds the line and sidelines/punishes some people like Romney, McConnell and other RINOs, the party stays a plan only. If it looks like they are all business as usual back stabbers, then take the poison pill and live with Dem control until the GOP is just a bad memory. We may not ever really recover from that, but it may not make any difference at all with the current DEM bill to make fraudulent elections the norm, making DC a state, etc. But, then at least you could maybe punish some RINOs while you wait for your government check in a bread line.
112 posted on 01/25/2021 3:11:49 PM PST by RickyW (Primary Romney!)
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To: Hildy

Wake? The time for waking has long passed!! Get on board! It’s time to cull the herd of them scum!! They can NEVER be trusted again! NEVER!!


145 posted on 01/25/2021 3:34:16 PM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Hildy

Primaries.


159 posted on 01/25/2021 3:43:16 PM PST by Savage Rider
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We need to keep in mind that The Patriot Party is a one-man thing from a one-man website opportunist the filed an FEC form to collect money.


180 posted on 01/25/2021 3:59:05 PM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Hildy

Yeah. Jettison the backstabbing Quislings.

I have NO mixed feelings about that. They had ample opportunities to put the interests of our Republic first, ahead of Party and they chose Party, first. To HELL with them.


182 posted on 01/25/2021 4:02:37 PM PST by Howie66 (I Weep For Our Republic )
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But we have to do something to wake these establishment Republicans.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do what the Dems do to buy them off.

Just promise them that they can still feed at the pork feeding trough

Estabishment Republicans are easy to get. The Dems do it all the time.


215 posted on 01/25/2021 4:42:25 PM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: Hildy
Wake them up? Try removing them from leadership - that is the only change that will be meaningful. Trump would be better off starting his own party and bypassing these loser freaks altogether.
217 posted on 01/25/2021 4:48:40 PM PST by Major Matt Mason
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With over half the pub party, we should be able to take that over, along with the infrastructure.


237 posted on 01/25/2021 5:09:07 PM PST by Fido969 (,i.)
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To: Hildy

The more the feckless GOP shows they are just like the DNC, the more money they will bleed. Also remember that Trump went up against the Republican establishment to win the nomination. Don’t trust the polls.


277 posted on 01/25/2021 6:05:33 PM PST by The MAGA-Deplorian (It is the Trump way! It is the only way)
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The GOP is dead. They are leek a snake with it’s head cut off, still wriggling, but dead nonetheless.


293 posted on 01/25/2021 6:54:20 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (If the meanings in the Constitution can change, why did they bother writing it down?)
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