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In other words, another expensive, hard-to-scale, "promising" treatment, convalescent plasma, looks like it doesn't work ...
1 posted on 10/23/2020 5:56:46 PM PDT by catnipman
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Wow. This thing is really a super virus. I wonder how that happened? /s


2 posted on 10/23/2020 6:01:23 PM PDT by willk (A bias news media is not a free press.)
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Consider the source...

Trust but verify.


3 posted on 10/23/2020 6:06:13 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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The convalescent plasma made available for patients in May under an EUA was not titered - some units had a lot of antibody, some had little.

It was a good idea, but there is no way to make sense out of this “trial” since we do not know who got what in terms of neutralizing antibody.


4 posted on 10/23/2020 6:08:45 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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I’d take it!


5 posted on 10/23/2020 6:09:06 PM PDT by arkfreepdom
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I don’t think this means that plasma with covid antibodies won’t help you recover from covid, but it may still make you immune.


7 posted on 10/23/2020 6:16:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where do you find the word "except" in the 2nd Amendment?)
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I don't believe a damn thing "medical journals" say. Ever since they worked overtime trying to discredit Dr. Zev Zelenko and also Dr. Didier Raoult, it was evident medicine wasn't what they were peddling, but left wing political propaganda.

They cared nothing for the lives of patients, but cared everything for winning political favor and rewards.
 

8 posted on 10/23/2020 6:16:44 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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Would whole blood have been better?

As opposed to plasma, which has the platelets filtered out.

I am not a doctor, and really don't know what's customary here. I heard that using donated antibodies has had some success, was that wrong?

9 posted on 10/23/2020 6:18:40 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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The big criticism of the study is that it was used too late in the disease. An earlier study that used it sooner showed some help. Nothing dramatic.


13 posted on 10/23/2020 6:24:45 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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https://www.click2houston.com/health/2020/04/17/local-hospital-using-experimental-drug-treatment-in-hopes-of-saving-lives-of-covid-19-patients/

MATH+ therapy 100% effective

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/covid-19-how-new-information-should-drive-policy

Starting about minute 48, MATH+ therapy described. 98% effective for serious cases. Known since April. No new drugs or vaccines are needed. Cv19 is easily treated.


15 posted on 10/23/2020 6:28:32 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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What the paper concluded was that convalescent plasma worked in producing neutralizing antibodies that reduced the SARS-COV-2 viral load but both arms of the study had about the same mortality and other adverse effects. This was because other proteins in the human plasma caused blood clotting and cardiac events that led to negative outcomes.

This would not occur in monoclonal antibody therapies like Regeneron that are manufactured and do not contain all the other proteins in natural human plasma.

Convalescent plasma was considered an attractive therapy because it could be easily produced and would be available without FDA approval. It would probably work if patients were also given anticoagulents like Xarelto or Eliquis to reduce the coagulation risk but it would be better to use Regeneron’s drug which has no coagulation risk.


18 posted on 10/23/2020 6:54:16 PM PDT by Dave Wright
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I believe Fauci supported this 100%. I’ll google around.


19 posted on 10/23/2020 6:59:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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https://www.centerforbiosimilars.com/view/fauci-discusses-experimental-covid19-drugs-and-school-openings


21 posted on 10/23/2020 7:05:01 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Two of my family members received this treatment as part of a study. 48 hour recovery. Both were not yet admitted to the hospital - but were on the verge of being admitted. It may be that if you are already hospitalized it is not effective.


37 posted on 10/24/2020 2:47:38 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Why can't we just get into the running car?)
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I pretty much ignore any article telling us how something doesn’t work. More interested in those that show some promise - like Regeneron - and HCQ :-)


38 posted on 10/24/2020 4:51:09 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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From the same bunch that implicated MMR vaccines in autism risk.


39 posted on 10/24/2020 6:06:06 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Hey, Rocky--Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!)
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I’m not very enthused with any treatment in a hospital and wouldn’t want to trade a home for it.


40 posted on 10/24/2020 6:31:30 AM PDT by familyop ("Who built the cages, Joe?" --President Trump)
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Yeah, but what about a plasma torpedo?
46 posted on 10/24/2020 9:50:01 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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I want whatever treatment was given to Chris Christie. He has never looked healthy and yet he survived covid.


52 posted on 10/24/2020 2:21:26 PM PDT by a real Sheila (Love my golden retrievers!)
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If Trump mentioned it as a possible treatment, it’s a given it will be attacked not only as being “ineffective”, but also “deadly”.


53 posted on 10/24/2020 2:44:09 PM PDT by LouieFisk
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“Convalescent Plasma”?

Where ‘n He’ll ya get that?
Leisure World?


56 posted on 10/25/2020 12:57:52 AM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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