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"'Stunning’ Executive Order Would Politicize Civil Service" - Define Stunning
Government Executive Magazine ^ | 10-22-2020 | Erich Wagner

Posted on 10/22/2020 1:42:46 PM PDT by PK1991

President Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order creating a new classification of “policy-making” federal employees that could strip swaths of the federal workforce of civil service protections just before the next president is sworn into office.

The order would create a new Schedule F within the excepted service of the federal government, to be composed of “employees in confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating positions,” and instructs agency heads to determine which current employees fit this definition and move them—whether they are members of the competitive service or other schedules within the excepted service—into this new classification.

(Excerpt) Read more at govexec.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 202010; 20201021; 202101; 20210119; civilservice; classification; executiveorder; federalemployees; policy; schedulef; trump
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To: TheConservativeTejano

Sure, I can get by with 8 hours of sleep at night if I have a 90 minute nap in the afternoon!


41 posted on 10/22/2020 2:45:19 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: dp0622
"I get tired just reading what he accomplishes :) "

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Oh, another wuss, huh? :>)

Try some of this, it'll wake you up:

BTW, "CAF" stands for "Caffeinated As F#$%" - drink that stuff, and I'm pretty sure that you won't be tired...and you may even be able to keep up with Trump for a couple of hours. :>)

42 posted on 10/22/2020 2:50:09 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: a fool in paradise

Totalitarianism in all forms is Evil!

Progressive
Socialist
Marxist (i.e. BLM)
Fascist (Nazi’s)
Communist (i.e. Antifa)
Dictator (Erdogan’s Turkey) (#ComDem_Covid19_Dictators)
Islamist
Bureaucrap (the Swamp)

All Evil. All Fail.

Freedom Works.

It’s TIME to DownSize DC!


43 posted on 10/22/2020 2:53:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: arthurus

I’ve tried telling that to people as an explanation for why I consider term limits a waste of time. “Politicians come and go...staffers are forever!”


44 posted on 10/22/2020 2:54:27 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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To: Steely Tom

No, it is a return to sanity.

No organization can survive that does not require accountability. And require proper decision making by those incharge. (further accountability)


45 posted on 10/22/2020 2:56:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: PK1991

But federal employee groups and government observers described the executive order as a “stunning” attempt to politicize the civil service and undermine more than a century of laws aimed at preventing corruption and cronyism in the federal government.>>>> the century of laws didn’t work did it.


46 posted on 10/22/2020 3:02:40 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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To: Ancesthntr

I’m an anxious wreck as it is :)

That will shoot me into space!


47 posted on 10/22/2020 3:07:42 PM PDT by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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To: PK1991

the keyword here is “confidential” positions ...


48 posted on 10/22/2020 3:12:54 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Rockingham
Why not just abolish such jobs?

That is the answer--keep it simple and just do it.
49 posted on 10/22/2020 3:15:19 PM PDT by cgbg (Biden n-2020: Criminal enterprise using cokehead as bagman.)
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To: mewzilla
Past time to rescind Executive Order 10988.

Which says what?

50 posted on 10/22/2020 3:20:39 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Howie66

Too true!!!!!!!!!


51 posted on 10/22/2020 3:21:23 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: cgbg

The result would be like trying to simplify a car by eliminating the transmission in favor of a direct connection to the drive shaft. Such a vehicle might be made to move in fits and starts, but not efficiently or with power.


52 posted on 10/22/2020 3:22:30 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

I used to work in .gov, and your comment is totally accurate.

I _want_ .gov moving in fits and starts. An efficient government is the enemy of liberty.

The SES is a total disaster—insiders who know exactly how to get things done the way they want instead of the way the President and his staff want.


53 posted on 10/22/2020 3:26:19 PM PDT by cgbg (Biden n-2020: Criminal enterprise using cokehead as bagman.)
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To: Texas Fossil

What you said!!!


54 posted on 10/22/2020 3:30:52 PM PDT by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: PK1991

Drafted by Gobbel D. Gooke.


55 posted on 10/22/2020 3:33:38 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (JOBS NOT MOBS!)
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To: PK1991

The danger is that this means that the Democrats, once in power, can fire any Trump supporter, or even Republican.

The ‘Spoils system’, of each administration firing people of the opposite party was stupid and would suck again.

The whole idea of the Civil Service is that hiring and firing should have *NOTHING* do to with the political orientation of the employee, but with the concomitant that they can’t engage in political activity on the clock

The solution is to fire those who politic on the clock.

hiring and firing should *only* be done on the basis of competence and performance, not who someone supports in their own time.

Contrary to what many ignorant people say, it’s not too hard to fire a government employee, at the federal or state level. *BUT* it requires management to actually DOCUMENT performance deficiencies and offer a chance for improvement, as opposed to just letting someone go because some A-hole manager doesn’t like them.

The Civil Service needs reform, but this won’t make a damned thing better, and will really suck when the Democrats get back in power.


56 posted on 10/22/2020 3:37:33 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: PGR88
** They work less, get paid more, have iron-clad benefits, rarely get fired, and never get laid-off. **

There's an ad on DC radio station, WMAL, where Government retirees can get STILL MORE benefits!

57 posted on 10/22/2020 3:46:47 PM PDT by Does so (Make mail-ins "provisional", count if walk-in vote is close. Ban ALL provisional if 2 are faked.)
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To: RedStateRocker

I was thinking that also but I had this thought about the way he structured this. It might be pretty crafty. The civil service is 90 percent liberal democrats. It is just how it has happened over the years for whatever reason. So when the democrats take charge things won’t change at all. They just bring in a few like minded folks. But when Republicans are in charge they get to bring in a larger F schedule of policy makers that can help the President implement his agenda. He has political positions now but they are a small amount of people. This would give Republicans broader reach and eliminate the “resistance” Trump encountered. It gives him much more power to monitor the rats. His last 4 years will be much different if this is implemented.


58 posted on 10/22/2020 3:47:38 PM PDT by PK1991
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To: V_TWIN

“As I understand it he only sleeps around 4 hours a night.”


That is true. Note that it was also true about Napoleon Bonaparte. Both of these highly intelligent, driven and focused individuals are/were busy thinking about and planning to defeat their opponents while those opponents are/were literally sleeping. Given that, is it any wonder why he is always winning?

If you’ll bear with me, I have a story that you may find interesting. In early 2015, I was for the most outside of the insiders, as it was the usual crop of politicians running for POTUS - and for me that meant Ted Cruz. I knew that more of the same kind of people like Jeb, Romney, etc. was, even if they beat Hillary (it was clear from Day 1 that she was going to be the nominee), a recipe for disaster. I actually donated to Cruz on 3/31, to help him boost his numbers for the 1st quarter of that year - and that was the first time I donated to a politician since Bush ‘88 (I was naive enough then to believe that he was Reagan’s 3rd term...wow, THAT was a whopping lie). Then came early June and the rumors about Trump declaring started. Having grown up in the NYC metro area (specifically, the dark and fascist Peoples Republik of Neu Joisey), and pretty much only hearing about Trump because of his affairs or self-promotion, the first thought when I heard that was, “I hope that this f’ing clown doesn’t declare, he’s going to completely screw it up for Cruz.” Well, he did...and he did (and make no mistake, within not too long, I was extremely happy about that...read on). The day he did declare, I told my wife that Trump is the kind of guy who will either go down in flames in the next 2 weeks, or he will be the next President - that there is no in between for this guy. As we all know, he just kept getting more and more support, etc., and here we are.

However, I wanted to know something about Trump the man, about who he is, what motivates him, etc. No campaign literature for me - it is all completely self-serving. So I took “The Art of the Deal” out of the library and read it, twice. I recommend doing that if you haven’t already. You get a lot of insight into his motivations as they were nearly 30 years before he ran for POTUS. You also get a good history lesson regarding NYC politics and its economy in the 1970s and half of the ‘80s. Finally, if you are interested in business, you get a bunch of good lessons in negotiating. Remember, this is a guy who took a $1 million loan from his father in 1968 when he graduated from the Wharton School of Business (Ivy League, even though not Harvard or Yale, so he is AT LEAST as smart as the smartest of the so-called elites), and turned it into over $1 billion before he inherited one thin dime from his father, Fred, in 1998. Oh, and he made most of it in the incredibly cut-throat NYC commercial real estate market, which he entered against his father’s advice, knowing virtually nothing about it, and having very few contacts. If you can’t learn something from a guy like that, just give up.

One thing struck me - near the end of the book he mentioned how foreign nations were taking advantage of us, and how we didn’t honor and treat well enough our vets, police and firemen. That reminded me very specifically of an interview that Tip O’Neill gave after he retired. The interviewer asked him, naturally enough, about Reagan. O’Neill, after talking about what a gentleman he was, etc., then spoke about Reagan’s reputation. He said that Reagan had been saying the exact same thing for 30 years, and that whether you agreed or disagreed with him, every politician knew that Reagan believed what he said, and understood that he had great political courage to not shift his positions with every change of the direction of the wind. The instant that I read those words by Trump in his book, I knew that he was the next Reagan, the next truly great President (yeah, that made me believe then, in mid-July of 2015, that he was going to win against both intense opposition and all expectations, just like Reagan did). They are clearly different people, yet in many ways like 2 peas in a pod. The advantage that Trump has over Reagan, and why I firmly believe that he will (given some time) be viewed as one of the truly great Presidents in our history, is 2-fold. First, he knows the political history of the last 30 years, including all of the (unknowing) mistakes that Reagan and his administration made (mostly involving trusting the Democrats on ANYTHING), so he isn’t going to repeat them, he isn’t going to be taken advantage of by domestic or foreign enemies. Second, Trump is a businessman, and specifically most of his adult life has been spent in an industry in which time is literally money - LOTS of it, and all of it YOURS. So this guy brings the cold logic, the sense of urgency, and the “I don’t care how you do it, just get it done!” attitude of a successful businessman. I knew from the moment I read his book that he would be far different, far more effective, than any President in modern history. He was THE outsider that this country has needed for at least the last 40 years (and, probably, since FDR took office - the only exceptions being Eisenhower - a general - and Reagan - a genuine conservative unlike any other since Coolidge).

I have long believed that Reagan was specifically chosen by God to be the leader of the world’s richest and most powerful nation, and the leader of the Free World, because he was the perfect person to do that in that period of time. I also believe the same about Trump. Reagan was, unfortunately, a blip. Trump may also be, but a much bigger one because a lot of the changes that he is making, and will continue to make in his 2nd term, are of a more long-lasting nature (there’s the businessman again - if you’re dedicating resources to something, you make damned sure that it succeeds for a LONG time so that neither you nor anyone else needs to make that investment anytime soon). Trump is obviously not the smooth, diplomatic, good-hair kind of pol that we’re used to, and who has traditionally been marketed well on TV - he’s a force of nature, seemingly immune to any criticism, almost always crossing over the goal line even if 10 guys are hanging all over him; he’s the guy bringing this nation back and fighting those who would destroy our form of government, destroy our morality, and lead us to becoming a highly technological version of East Germany. He’s NOT a perfect person, not by a long shot (and, after having read his book, I’m sure that he’d enjoy a very long and hearty laugh if you said anything like that to him), but he gets the job done where not only can’t others do that, they can’t even imagine doing it in the first place. He is, IMHO, most definitely the personally imperfect tool of God who happens to be the perfect tool for that job that God is subcontracting out. In the Bible, Cyrus the Great was another such man - a very imperfect man, violent, lecherous, etc. - but he served God’s interest by ending the exile of the Jews after the First Temple was destroyed, and helped them begin the construction of the Second Temple. Trump is such a man...and that is why he generates such incredible hatred and opposition in those who worship themselves; he both shows them how inadequate they are and defeats them. Note that he also has a gift like no other person I have ever seen - he has an almost perfect ability to get his opponents (of both parties) to reveal to the entire world who they are. All the decades that they’ve spent creating an image, hiding their true intent while lining their pockets and diminishing our liberties, plotting for ultimate power...all of it falls apart in very short order, so that the average, very decent, citizen can understand the nature of the vast majority of those in power, or seeking power.

But at least we’re going to have him for another 4 years. We’re so screwed up that even a perfect tool of God needs more than 4 years to finish his task - which is to destroy the old order, show people what works, and leave a much better country to a new generation of leaders who can finish what is really a decades-long job of restoring us to what we once were as a nation and as a people.

Sorry for the length of this, but I am so frustrated that 95% of the media and nearly half of our fellow citizens are blind to these facts that I just had to get it off my chest.


59 posted on 10/22/2020 3:48:09 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: PK1991

Translation: They can be fired!


60 posted on 10/22/2020 3:53:21 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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