Posted on 10/15/2020 8:24:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
A change of pace for you from all the polling doom and gloom lately. Most readers know the name Trafalgar at this point, but for the few who dont: Theyre the firm that called Trumps wins in Michigan and Pennsylvania four years ago when nearly every other pollster was predicting Clinton victories, some by blowout margins. (Trafalgar was the only outfit to find Trump ahead in Michigan in any survey taken that year.) Two years later, with the rest of the field polling field expecting an Andrew Gillum victory in Florida, Trafalgars final poll found Ron DeSantis ahead. Again, they were right, everyone else was wrong.
Their secret is that they try to adjust for social desirability bias, the reluctance of some people to tell pollsters the truth about their preferences for fear of being judged disapprovingly. Robert Cahaly, Trafalgars lead pollster, is of the belief that that effect is especially prevalent among Trump voters. If in fact there are a ton of shy Trumpers still out there who are lying to pollsters which many experts doubt then the polls this year are way off.
Except Trafalgars, perhaps. If in fact Trump performs much better on Election Day than the competition expects, and especially if he does well enough to win another term, Cahaly will instantly be the most renowned pollster in America. The rest of the polling industry will never recover its reputation. Thats whats on the line on November 3, in addition to control of the White House and Senate.
All of that is an introduction for you to the conversation below between Cahaly and Mike Pesca of Slate. If you can spare 18 minutes to listen to the whole thing, please do. Cahaly takes the listener through his approach to polling and explains the importance of social desirability bias, which he believes is even *more* pronounced this year than it was when Trump first ran for president. Thats borne out in some of his numbers over the past month, which reliably show Trump scoring five points higher or more than the polling average. Skim through the latest numbers from Michigan, the site of Cahalys most celebrated success in 2016. Of the last 11 surveys there, Biden leads by eight points or better in nine of them. In the 10th poll he leads by six.
In the 11th, from Trafalgar, he trails Trump by one. Thats an eight-point difference between Cahalys result and the current average of 7.2 points. But Cahaly isnt cowed. He tells Pesca in their chat that he thinks Michigan is the likeliest of the Rust Belt swing states to stay red this year, which completely contradicts the conventional wisdom that Michigan is actually Trumps toughest hold in the region. In fact, Trump had been off the air in the state from late July until a few days ago, when he began running ads again. Id been wondering lately if he was going to give up on the state altogether and focus his efforts on Pennsylvania, treating MI as a lost cause. On the contrary, says Cahaly. Expect another win in Michigan.
Its hard to overstate just how far off the beaten path his numbers are relative to everyone elses, including pollsters that tend to be friendlier to Biden. Trafalgar isnt just expecting shy Trump voters to be a factor. Theyre expecting them to be a massive factor:
What's also interesting about Trafalgar is that they're always biased toward Trump by about the same amount, unlike Quinnipiac where they do have a handful of polls that are better than the average for Trump.
https://t.co/KxJa7WMQJv Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) October 15, 2020
Via RCP, here are the latest Trafalgar numbers from battlegrounds (although bear in mind that some of these are close to a month old):
Florida: Trump by two
Pennsylvania: Biden by two
Wisconsin: Biden by three
North Carolina: Trump by two
Michigan: Trump by one
Ohio: Trump by four
Arizona: Trump by four
If all of those results held on Election Day, assuming no unlikely Biden victories elsewhere, Trump would win 276-262. Thats right in line with Cahalys forecast for the election, which he delivers to Pesca at 26:00 of the clip below Trump in the mid-270 range. Which is the most encouraging polling news Team MAGA has had in months.
But dont get too cocky. Look back again at the numbers above and notice how tight the margins are. A polling miss of two or three points would be perfectly ordinary for any pollster, yet Cahalys prediction depends upon him missing nowhere. If Biden fares just two points better in Michigan than Trafalgar expects, hell be president. If hes three points better in Florida and North Carolina, hell be president comfortably. And as impressive as Cahalys 2016 polling was, he *did* overshoot the mark on Trump in Michigan, predicting a two-point victory in a state the president won by just three-tenths of a point. If Trafalgars current Michigan numbers are off by the same margin, Biden would win the White House by the skin of his teeth.
Theres no margin for error. The interview with Pesca starts at 10:30 below.
Not sure Trump is ahead enough to beat the margin of fraud.
274 would be hollow in that mostly would mean they would get the Senate. I mean i’ll take it, but I really would like to keep the Senate.
Plugs won’t get Michigan. Not with that demonic bitch dictator in the Governor’s office.
If he really said that then I think hes a moron. Does he really see Doug Jones holding onto his seat in Alabama??
We can afford to lose PA and WI?
No, he knows they are getting the Alabama seat back. The question to him was what possible surprises in the Senate and he responded that James was the best possibility. Also added that the reason James was polling ahead of Trump is because he does is not affected by the anti Trump vote.
In the interview I posted which was from 10 days ago he predicted the electoral college win would be by 30-59 pts.
Trump’s polls show him down 18 points in suburban Oakland county, the second largest in Michigan. He only lost it by 8 last time.
That’ll be hard to make up.
Trump’s polls show him down 18 points in suburban Oakland county, the second largest in Michigan. He only lost it by 8 last time.
That’ll be hard to make up.
While I think Trump will win with a good margin, it will not be “historic.” Reagan had a 525 to 13 margin over Mondale.
Mid 270s really means 330-350
trump will beat biden by more than he beat hillary.
He’ll win by more than that.
Which polls ? Where’s the link and the breakdown/stats by party ?
He’ll get more votes than last time, and in Michigan, that will also mean an increase in the Black vote for Trump. Getting John James elected is also paramount.
I predict Trump will get 329 electoral votes
This is from Anus Pundit and therefore take it with an extreme grain of salt!!
I am calling 370-200 Trump. After tonight it is written in cement.
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In AZ, polls still showing Kelly and Biden leading
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/15/mark-kelly-widens-lead-over-martha-mcsally-post-debate-senate-poll/3659955001/
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