New footage of Russia made Pantsir missiles destroyed by Turkish drones in Libya
- One Of Russia’s Most Advanced Missile Systems Captured In Libya | Forbes | May 19, 2020
Posted on 07/21/2020 8:03:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
The website Global Fire Power in February released its annual review, ranking the countries of the world in terms of military power. Egypt in 2020 rose to number nine, while Turkey fell to 11th place.
Egypt is the only Arab country that ranked among the 10 most powerful armies in the world, rising from its 12th place position last year. Turkey, meanwhile, fell behind Egypt, despite ranking higher in the past several years.
Here are the most prominent figures to consider when making a military comparison between the two forces:
Egypt has 440,000 active personnel, while Turkey has 355,000. Egyptian reserve forces consist of about 480,000 soldiers, compared to about 380,000 in Turkey.
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Well that is good news. 8>)
It should have said:
During the past few years, the Egyptian armed forces have destroyed about 10,000 ENEMY four-wheel drive vehicles on the Egyptian-Libyan border, according to an announcement by Presidency Spokesperson Bassam Rady.
When I first read it, I thought they’d somehow through ineptitude destroyed their own vehicles.
I’m opening a Jeep dealership in Egypt. Land is cheap so I can store a lot of Hummers etc out in the desert and not worry about rain etc.
Also, I can advise this way, “We have plenty of hummers. How do you want them, one hump or two?” (you can play with this anyway you want to. Meanwhile back at the oasis, the Arabs were eating their dates).
“Command of the sea and air would determine the outcome.”
There is a robust working relationship between Egypt and Israel. I don’t see the Israelis sitting this one out. This also gives them an excellent opportunity to cement their relationship with Egypt.
Depending on how stupid Erdogan wants to be, he could set himself up for a humiliating defeat. Most likely, though, there will be a quiet diplomatic discussion in the back room of a restaurant in Ankara and Turkey will find something else to be concerned about.
“...A comparison between the Egyptian and Turkish armies... which is stronger?”
Are they kidding? Nobody but nobody wants to take on the Turks! They are among the fiercest and most feared fighters in the world. Ask the North Koreans and Chinese from the Korean War era. Southern Europe is still fearful of them from centuries ago,
“And with it if they do as they’ve done in the past they’ll advance boldly on the first day and then dig in in hopes of not being dislodged after that.”
That was back when they were under Soviet influence and thus used modified Soviet tactics.
IIRC, they are the third largest operator of Abrams tanks although their Abrams tanks are not as capable as ours (different armor package, etc). Egypt has 1,360 Abrams, 1,716 M60A1/A3, 34 T-80,
500 T-62 (300 in storage), 260 Ramses II (modified T-55), and 580 T-55 in storage. They also have 500 T-90 tanks on order
Turkey on the other hand still uses large numbers of M60 tanks (1,532), and they have 342 Leopard 2’s, 397 Leopard 1, and 758 M48 tanks.
I wasn't referring to Libya, close to home referred to neighboring Kurdish areas, Syria, and Iraq.
They are tough, better trained, probably better motivated -- although even the most jingo-happy Turk soldier could in time come to doubt the necessity of risking their lives in Libya. Turkish field-testing of drone capability suggests the Turkish response to an Egyptian counteroffensive. It'll be interesting to see if the EU comes down on the side of Turkey in this.
Turkey has the disadvantage that everywhere but Syria where Turkey is seeking to influence outcomes (like Libya), the area is closer to Egypt and more within its historical area of influence than is true for Turkey, at least in the post Ottoman Empire era.
If Erdogan thinks he can redo the old Ottoman Empire under his Islamic fundamentalist umbrella, he will be greatly disappointed. The memories against the Turks all around the Middle East are as fresh as the memories around Asia when it comes to Japan.
I view this as more of a power projection effort, as well as a way for Turkey's armed forces to hone their skills and test their weapons. If it weren't for Erdogan, Turkey might be in the EU by now. As it is, it can't and won't leave either NATO (because of the historical rivalry between Turkey and Russia) or the trade agreements with the EU. Erdogan's attempt to build a mini-EU among some of his none-too-neighborly neighbors went down in flames a long while ago.
“Oherwise NATO equipped and trained Turkey would easily defeat the Egyptian military in all sectors of battle.”
We’ve been training Egypt for almost 40 years, and been equipping them for nearly as long.
I doubt that Turkish territorial expansion is a goal of Erdogan's.
On Crete, German paratroopers and air crews took the brunt of the punishment -- but Germany had the island in 12 days despite being badly outnumbered. Churchill's shift of British resouurces (and loss of 12K POWs) delayed the German defeat in N Africa and by more than a year, and slowed down the outcome in Europe as well.
Erdogan is a mystery; perhaps he really does want to reassert Turkish dominance ala Ottoman Empire in the greater region. The Turks ruled for centuries and were only held back by a few Catholic ruled countries.
New footage of Russia made Pantsir missiles destroyed by Turkish drones in Libya
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