Posted on 06/02/2020 10:08:52 AM PDT by conservative98
The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”
“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.
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To jonrick46.. you said.. “When the brain stops, the heart stops” so when a person is ‘brain dead’ and just laying there in the hospital bed, the heart has stopped right?, I’m not understanding this. Wouldn’t the body start decomposing? Anatomy of the body is some weird shit.
The guy told the officer, "I've got a lawful concealed carry permit."
When he reached for the glove compartment to get the permit, the policeman shot him.
With his girlfriend and kid IN THE CAR.
The policeman was charged with murder 1 and walked.
In Minnesota, for the current case, Murder 3 does not require intent, but "Depraved Indifference".
Keeping your knee on the neck of a handcuffed unconscious guy, on video, and in front of witnesses, and not checking for a pulse, and not performing CPR, for two minutes, after one of the other policemen holding the guy down tells you he doesn't have a pulse, seems to qualify.
Wouldn't you agree?
The first report says the opposite so he was wrong then or wrong now.
The fox report says fentanyl intoxication
In a year or two we will see what the jury believes.
I’ll bet they say drug overdose and heart attack was the main cause of death.
That is a true statement.
As was Floyd.
I think Zimmerman acted in self defence and should have been acquitted. But if I recall there it was 2nd degree murder or nothing, no lower charges available to the jury.
Premeditiation here? Murder 3 seems like a layup. I don't think he has an obligation to provide medical assistance, but, and these are if's for now, another LEO told him he had no pulse, and a bystander told him something similar. And he was motionless for minutes after being combative. And for propriety I'll simply say he discharged fluid, if the LEO contends, we haven't heard from him, he had no idea the victim was in distress, I think he's lying. So maybe I could be convinced. I say maybe largely because I wonder if the prosecutor has knowledge dictating a lesser charge. Not a lawyer, but I believe in most states depraved indifference will support murder 2, which in my unprofessional opinion is probably the better charge.
Should have added imo a plea deal would be the best disposition, but politically it’s impossible, particularly when the starting point is the lower charge, manslaughter.
It's all on a single continuous unedited uncut video from someone's phone taken in real time as it happened from six feet away.
I’m sure all of the libs lining up to attend George’s funeral, in Houston, will cover this part of his story, extensively.
Not.
As an example, and I'm not suggesting this happened, if Floyd kicked the officer in the privates during the so far unseen tapes, that might point me in the direction of 2nd degree.
Thanks for the citation to the charging document. It made for some clarification and interesting reading. But like a lot of modern literature, it left a bit to be desired in terms of its clarity and explicitness. Similar to a lot of modern prose. The video that I saw showed the victim with his right shoulder clearly elevated directly over his left, with his neck slightly bent and his scalp (the upper left head) resting on the ground. He did not appear to be unconscious at that point. Reading the charging documents, and assuming the PMH, substance use and cardiac status is as described, it sounds like he developed arrhythmias after being detained, that then progressed to chaotic VT/VF (at or about the 8:25 and 31s cited from the tape) when they lost the pulse. Very much doubt all the speculation about CNS etiology. I suspect at that point, given his size, even if the 4 cops had an AED immediately available, he was a goner. The outcome could have depended in part on the exact type and concentration of substances that were on board. Classic. They might have had a better chance in the ED with a full crew, crash cart and regular size paddles available. Doubt the ones on the portable units sometimes carried in cop cars could have cut it — given his anatomy. Sad. What did the cop do wrong? I will let you and your crystal ball answer that one. The wheels of justice can be perverse. I suspect the amount of mayhem that has followed this episode will probably seal his fate.
At this point in time, that don’t matter. From this point forward, he is a god. Or in the very least, a saint and idol.Movies will be made about him. Streets will be named in his honor. Joints will be smoked in his memory. He will replace George Washington on the heroes list.
But when one of his fellow policemen helping to hold down an unconscious man in cuffs, says, hey, he doesn't have a heart beat, then the guy at least, AT LEAST, ought to pull his knee off the guy's neck--it can't be super helpful to a guy in cardiac arrest.
And just maybe consider the idea of checking for a pulse himself.
And maybe form a committee to explore the possibility of forming a blue ribbon panel to select first responders such as himself, to perform CPR, as a 19-year-veteran and trained first responder, who put the guy in custody and still has custody of him.
But sitting their with a smug cruel grin into the camera, and letting the guy die? While still kneeling on his neck?
Depraved indifference.
3rd degree murder's key element.
I’m not arguing premeditation.
In Minnesota law intent is not required for 3rd degree.
Even if kneeling on his neck was the minor cause of death, it was still a contributing factor. And the police caused it.
I was referring to 1st. 3rd, even 2nd seem pretty solid
He’s famous because he’s a media hack and whore expert for plaintiffs.
The jury will figure it out.
I think he will be acquitted. Especially since he was od’ing on fentanyl at the time.
don’t beleive trhe claim that it’s a slam dunk for the prosecution- You brought out several very key points abotu the arteries-
Shawn hannity was on blatting about his ‘Karate expertise’ and saying “When i put soemoen in what’s called a ‘rear naked choke hold” they will pass out in 15 seconds” Baden is in the side block nodding in agreement- and saying ‘yup- exactly- it takes less than 15, it takes around 8’ or whatever he said
Big problem- Floyd wasn’t in a rear naked choke hold- nowhere near to being in a rear naked choke hold scenario- in that chokehold, the arms wrap entirely around the neck- shutting off all arteries- and cutting off the airway-
The knee on the neck was nowhere near to shutting down all the arteries, nor to cutting off airway- Floyd’s airway was open as he kept talking (another point Baden inexplicably tried to denounce- claiming “Shawn, I’ve been talking for a minute now, and haven’t taken a breath’ Really? Seriously? Floyd was down for 8 minutes, not 1 minute- He was breathing-
You know what does shut off all arteries to brain though? Heart attack-
Also- in the video you can see that the crowd is moving in on the police- and the cop has to take out spray at one point because the crowd is encroaching on an active police scene- So he not only has to contend with subduing floyd, but also has to contend with a crowd that is becoming increasingly hostile acting- it is not clear yet what was going on in the 2 minutes from the time the other cop said “It APPEARS that he has no pulse” - was the policeman contending with the crowd at that point in addition to holding him down?
This is far from a slam dunk for the prosecution- many things need to be answered- There is video of floyd resisting in the back of the cruiser- after complaining about not being able to breathe- Was he having a heart atack then from stress of fighting the police? Was he having one before he even got put in car? He was complaining of not breathing well then- The courts will determine that-
We will see indeed. I think there is enough evidence to convict since the coroner stated that kneeling on his neck was a contributing factor and the department has said that Chauvin violated every guideline the department had laid out for using that restraint. Proving 'depraved indifference' won't be hard to anyone seeing that video.
In the trial they will have access to all the surveillance cameras from every angle that will show Saint Floyd fighting and resisting.
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