[SJackson]

There are other tapes out there, 4 body cams I hear. And the officers statements. And probably other things we don't know. Including what the defense comes up with. If what you're saying is what we've seen so far premeditation would be hard to overcome, I can't disagree.

As an example, and I'm not suggesting this happened, if Floyd kicked the officer in the privates during the so far unseen tapes, that might point me in the direction of 2nd degree.

[grey_whiskers]

I’m not arguing premeditation.
In Minnesota law intent is not required for 3rd degree.