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Nolte: Science turns against America's mask fascists.
Breitbart ^
| May 29th, 2020
| John Nolte
Posted on 05/29/2020 3:57:16 PM PDT by Luke21
"No less than the New England Journal of Medicine has dealt a body blow to Americas growing army of mask fascists......
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: masks; sarah
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To: Qiviut
21
posted on
05/29/2020 4:47:51 PM PDT
by
Qiviut
("I have never wished death upon a man, but I have read many obituaries with pleasure" Mark Twain)
To: Luke21
This is a NEJM EDITORIAL, not a science publication. NEJM’s editorials are no more reliable than any other media publication, and on some subjects, less so. There is nothing authoritative here.
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posted on
05/29/2020 4:48:51 PM PDT
by
Wonder Warthog
(No Longer Tolerating Trolls!)
To: Luke21
I would probably grab him by the ear and make him baaaaa like the sheep that he is.
To: ThePatriotsFlag
"And having a cloth mask stop a virus is like trying to stop a bumble with a wooden fence. It is about size .." Wrong. The particles emitted by human sneezing, coughng, or breathing are WATER DROPS, not free virus particles, and hence readily stopped by masks. You will NEVER have a free-floating bare virus particle in the air, because even after the water evaporates, the salt, protein and other human bioparticles will still cover the virus particle.
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posted on
05/29/2020 4:53:44 PM PDT
by
Wonder Warthog
(No Longer Tolerating Trolls!)
To: Luke21
The mask is a sign of contemptible weakness and slavery.The author wears a mask to protect his wife.
You have to be insecure or indifferent to place your own appearance above lowering someone else's risk.
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posted on
05/29/2020 4:56:18 PM PDT
by
semimojo
To: Luke21
Nobody ever shames my wife (61) or me (67) for not wearing masks in stores. Self righteous side-eye, but no confrontation. Its discrimination I tell you, I want equal treatment.
Extra pissed now that I have sources to staple to their pointy little heads.
To: Luke21
Masks are dangerous for healthy people
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posted on
05/29/2020 5:12:40 PM PDT
by
Nifster
(I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
To: Luke21
I served 22 years in the military, deployed to many conflicts to protect your right not to wear a mask.
So do not call me weak for choosing to wear a mask, it is my right to wear a mask I earn it.
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posted on
05/29/2020 5:14:17 PM PDT
by
DEPcom
To: DEPcom
Thanks for serving too.
Can we assume that you have studied up on the subject and filtered through the political aspects of the whole kitandcaboodle and made a rational decision regarding the topic? If you have, then great. Wear a mask.
If not, oh well. We have a choice, a duty even, to slice through the bullspit and get to the facts.
Even then, one does not easily or commonly change z viewpoint.
You can have my allotment of nonN95 masks. Hope you are well.
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posted on
05/29/2020 5:21:56 PM PDT
by
Manly Warrior
(US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
To: Manly Warrior
Yes I have study up on the mask and have the 3M N95 Masks. My household has a medical reason for wearing a mask (inoperable ACC in bottom of the trachea, only treatment is experimental, we just trying to outrun it).
The Doctor advises us to have a mask when we go out into the public. I know even a good medical grade mask is not fool proof. We are just making the odds better for us, I do not want to bring something home.
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posted on
05/29/2020 5:31:02 PM PDT
by
DEPcom
To: Luke21
Well, this turned into a mask argument thread as I’d figured, but why wasn’t more of the Breitbart article given? FR does not have this tiny excerpt limit for them. My 12 year old laptop (bought used) and old XP platform (that 6 years after MS pulled it I refuse to give up) won’t let me see Breitbart (without lotsa pain and a freeze). FR usually does. Oh well.
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posted on
05/29/2020 5:36:07 PM PDT
by
CatDancer
(Cats make me happy. Humans make my head hurt.)
To: IrishBrigade; Reaganez
...takes a longer exposure than that...and even if that were true, it would require coughing, sneezing or shouting to propel droplets far enough to infect anyone, so if thats not going on, masks do nothing...
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It is the small, frequent, fleeting *exposures* that build immunity. Not enough to make someone ill, but enough to train the immune system to recognize the virus and react against it.
But it doesn’t matter. The inculcated will only accept what justifies their prior and current behavior, while the knowledgeable will give up in order to be allowed to shop.
Brings to mind selling a birthright for a mess of pottage.
To: Reaganez
They protect others from inhaling droplets potentially with viruses of the wearers
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So all the health experts who claimed the virus droplets are too small to be stopped by any mask, other than an N95 professionally fitted are all wrong? Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.
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posted on
05/29/2020 6:12:27 PM PDT
by
Joshua
(who is going to make up the)
To: Reaganez
Ok, lets compromise.
Only the asymptomatic COVID spreaders should wear a mask. Right? The ones with symptoms arent well enough to go out anyway. So they probably wont be in the grocery store with you.
Healthy people dont need to wear a mask, right? Only asymptomatic people. After all, these 40 to 80% of COVID infected folks are the only people out and about who could possibly give you the virus in the course of one short conversation.
Oh wait. Asymptomatic COVID people think they are healthy and dont need to wear a mask either!
Are you an asymptomatic COVID person? How do you know?
Just wear a mask please!
To: Reaganez
Face mask were never intended to protect the wearer.
Is that why doctors wear them? Then remove them to talk to you after surgery?
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posted on
05/29/2020 6:47:10 PM PDT
by
lewislynn
(IT'S NOT A PANDEMIC. IT'S PANDEMONIUM.)
To: EarlyBird
“Are you an asymptomatic COVID person? How do you know? / Just wear a mask please!”
Asymptomatic people breathe out very tiny droplets, too small to be affected by most masks. And if you are not in a contained space for 30 minutes with them, you won’t get any significant exposure anyways.
The masks prevent the larger globs from passing through - the sort produced by SYMPTOMATIC people. And those larger globs fall to teh ground within 6 feet.
So...keep some spacing, avoid people coughing and sneezing, be happy to live someplace where “subway” refers to a sandwich and you’ll probably be fine. I’m over 60, but healthy as so my odds of dying from the Wuhan Flu are pretty small anyways.
Meanwhile, the folks I know who are high risk for age also would have problems breathing for long periods in a mask. Or even 5 minutes. So they are mostly getting others to do their shopping for them.
But no. Masks are not protecting others from you, certainly not unless you are coughing and sneezing. And if you are - STAY HOME!
Quarantine the sick. What a concept!
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posted on
05/29/2020 6:48:51 PM PDT
by
Mr Rogers
(Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
To: Luke21
You yahoos have to be some of the most deluded people I have ever come across. You are on a level shared with flat earthers, literally.
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posted on
05/29/2020 7:06:54 PM PDT
by
Wpin
("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
To: Mr Rogers
Im glad to hear from an expert in all things COVID! Especially since I read so much contradictory stuff about this virus.
Your post is so reassuring to someone like me who is in the high risk group. Not!
Its not rocket science. The best way to keep everyone safer is if everyone wears a mask. Sorry if that conflicts with your totally selfish aversion to face coverings.
To: Luke21
Here's some more HOSPITAL DOCTORS and their educated advice:
here's another one. Dr. Jenny Harries, England's deputy chief medical officer, has warned that it was not a good idea for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and causes infection when the wearer breathes in.
Maybe you like elevating the carbon dioxide in your blood stream, and lowering the oxygen levels in your blood stream.
Maybe you want to keep viruses close to your nose and mouth longer than they would normally be around those areas..
Then there's this study,
Cloth masksdangerous to your health?:
... The results of the first randomised clinical trial (RCT) to study the efficacy of cloth masks were published today in the journal BMJ Open.
The trial saw 1607 hospital healthcare workers across 14 hospitals in the Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, split into three groups: those wearing medical masks, those wearing cloth masks and a control group based on usual practice, which included mask wearing.
Workers used the mask on every shift for four consecutive weeks.
The study found respiratory infection was much higher among healthcare workers wearing cloth masks.
The penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% compared to medical masks with 44%.
Professor Raina MacIntyre, lead study author and head of UNSW's School of Public Health and Community Medicine, said the results of the study caution against the use of cloth masks. ...
"Cloth masks should not be used by workers in any healthcare setting, but particularly high-risk situations such as emergency departments, intensive care, paediatric or respiratory wards."
Cloth masks remain widely used globally because they are a cheaper option especially in areas where there are shortages of protective equipment, including in Asian countries, which have historically been affected by emerging infectious diseases, as well as in West Africa, which was the epicentre of the recent Ebola epidemic.
The authors speculate that the cloth masks' moisture retention, their reuse and poor filtration may explain the increased risk of infection. ...
"Effective controls of outbreaks and pandemics at the origin impacts us directly, so it is important for global disease control that the use of cloth masks be discouraged in high-risk situations," she said. ...
And there's
PhD Judy Mikovits and former
E.R. Phd Rashid Buttar and their interview with Robyn Openshaw :
Robyn: Even if you dont have COPD, one of the things my followers wanted me to ask you when the most common questions I got I said, Im interviewing Dr. Mikovits. What do you want to hear from her? [My audience] wanted you to talk more about the mask issue.
Covid-19 and Useless Masks
Yes, if you have COPD itll kill you, but what about everybody else? You talked in another interview I heard about that its just exposing you over and over and over again to the virus. People dont understand that viruses arent living organisms. Talk a little bit about that for everyone else and then the whole mask concept.
Judy Mikovits: The whole mask concept for everyone else is essentially the same thing as somebody was COPD. You wont kill them, but you will make yourself sick. Were human beings.
Number one, if your mask is just this scarf cover of your face all that does is make you breathe in and out. I see people running and riding bikes with these masks. It doesnt prevent mold, mildew, all the stuff thats in the air, the pollens [from] allergy season. Those go right there into your sinus cavity, into your nasopharyngeal cavity.
Youre exercising. Youre breathing hard. Youre sucking that stuff into your lungs and youre sucking back in CO2. We dont do photosynthesis. Were humans. We have to breathe oxygen.
We cant breathe back in our own toxic air. Thats why you exhale. Thats why you breathe deeply. Thats why you cough to expel a pathogen. You cough in your own mask and you suppress your own immune system. You use your own type one interferons in your throat, in your nose, in your blood. Its horribly immune suppressive.
Probably most of your audience has never worn a mask before all day. Nurses and doctors who have to, theyre keeping themselves from getting sick from their patients. The patient certainly doesnt wear a mask. They deliver oxygen through a cannula.
For healthy people, youre not getting fresh air. Youre suppressing your immune response. Youre activating endogenous viruses. When you activate endogenous viruses, your immune system has to go and knock down those viruses.
Inflammatory mass cells respond to pollen. [For] people with things like mass cell activation disorder, mass mastocytosis, this is just a hair trigger reactivation of that very inflammatory cytokine signature of disease. Resident mass cells get reactivated.
Say you get allergies or whatever. When you wear that mask, youre concentrating those antigens and youre making yourself sicker. Its warm; its wet. You touch it; its abnormal; its uncomfortable. Those are all things that are immune draining, not immune boosting.
Youre making yourself sick with other sources. It makes no sense. Youre not preventing infection. Youre not preventing spread. Its virus coming from within. Its an envelope RNA virus. That means its packaged in a little lipid protein structure that protects the nucleic acid.
Just like our cells have both a cellular membrane and a nuclear membrane that protects your blueprint, the blueprint of the virus is in RNA. Our blueprint is a DNA. You have to transcribe that blueprint into a protein or a function.
Ive heard Dr. Rashid Buttar say it really well. Its like an architect building a house. You have the design strategy right there. Until you go read the blueprint and the builders build the house, you have nothing.
An RNA bed is a piece of nucleic acid, not even the whole virus RNA, just the piece in your nasal pharyngeal that they dig deep and scrape a few epithelial cells almost like a biopsy where you go and pull out a little tissue.
The virus must live in a cell. Coronaviruses live in epithelial cells up in your nasal passages, your sinuses in the back of your throat, your mouth. EBV lives in your mouth in salivary glands. All of those viruses that are living there activate.
99% of the population has Epstein-Barr. These retroviruses that we know at least 25 million Americans (and that was 2010. Now its now its probably 100 million Americans) are carriers of these viruses.
Your audience has heard carriers. What does that mean? Theyre not infectious if theyre not coughing. You dont cough RNA. You dont have particles in your nose. Theyre looking at RNA in your nose. You have particles in your blood.
You dont cough that. You certainly dont cough it six feet. Yes, you can have it on your hands, but that and coughing even is only the very sick. Are the sick people walking on the beach?
When youre sick, what do you do? You feel horrible. You have a bit of a fever. You dont even want to get out of bed. You cant open your eyes. You lay there. Thats sickness behavior. Thats your immune response clearing the pathogen. You dont leave the house.
If youre recovered, like my husband from COPD, you must go out there and get fresh air. Hes not infectious to anybody just because he coughs, nor am I just because I cough. Mine is a congenital pleurisy I got because I was born six weeks early as an identical twin. Pleurisy means filled with fluid.
I always have to clear my lungs, and I always cough. I will not wear a mask. I just walk in the store and say, Hey, I have a congenital lung disease, and I cant wear a mask. Thank you very much for- I dont say for your stupidity, -protecting me.
You dont protect anybody. I worked in a biosafety level three facility with HIV for 30 years. I pulled viruses out of saliva and blood. I never once wore a mask. I reminded Dr. Rossetti of this the other day. He said, We wore masks. I was like, No, we didnt. No, we didnt. We werent at risk until 2011 [when] it was realized that that mouse cancer causing retrovirus is contagious.
Please take off the mask. Go outside if youre healthy. Protect the immune compromised; protect the very old; Protect the very young. This is what we do in any flu season in my house. Wash your hands with soap and water.
Those bacterial alcohol soaps, those are hand sprays can drive the evolution of more pathogenic and viral infections because theyre antimicrobial. Theyre not antiviral. Thats not how it works.
I know its difficult to understand this is infectious disease. This is what weve learned at the molecular level for more than 40 years. We know even if youre infected with these viruses, we can keep you safe and we can heal you just like we did with HIV.
We dont expect laymen to understand virology, and we dont expect your general audience to understand this. The people that protect us at the [high] level, the Faucis and CDC must be closed, cleaned out, and reorganized. The fraud and the corruption [must be] removed because we rely on [those individuals].
Taking somebody out of sunshine, out of a job, off the street, arresting somebody on a paddleboard in the ocean that has nothing to do with public health. That has to do with fear and scare. Nobody should have to get tested.
Im healthy. I will not be tested. I could care less if I have an antibody and I had been exposed to coronavirus or anything else. I could care less. It doesnt have any impact on how I treat. I will not be vaccinated ever. I will not be injected, and I will not be forced to do anything with my body.
Americans have the right to say that. You and your listeners have to stand up, trust yourselves, your family, your doctor for your health. If your doctor refuses to listen to you or give you informed consent or treat you as you wish to be treated, fine. Fire them. Go somewhere else.
Forget health insurance. My health insurance is God. Thats the way its always been and always will be. I will not pay health insurance. Thats unconstitutional. No bureaucrat can tell people how to practice medicine.
Let the naturopathic doctors, the DOs, MDs all work together. Weve got, if youre not an MD, youre nothing. Those are the people that are bought and paid for and used in pharmaceuticals and cant use the very simple, natural, God-given earthly treatments that weve known for centuries. ...
[Second Interview]
... Robyn: Do we actually have any data on the fact that the people who got the flu vaccine are dying of Covid-19? Im hearing that out there.
Dr. Rashid Buttar: We have no documentation. Nobodys actually been able to see the Covid-19 virus itself. They have sequenced [the virus], and theyve found like 30 different variants. Covid-19 in Wuhan compared to the one in Iran compared to the one in Italy compared to the one in New York they were all different strains.
It is not the Covid-19. This is how sinister this is, Robyn. We know about the toxicity part. Weve just talked about it. We know about the FIVE J*EE part. Weve talked about that. Weve talked about the importance of immune system. Weve mentioned that.
The information that the public needs to know, staying home, wearing a mask is making everything worse. Wearing a mask remember we breathe in oxygen. When you wear a mask, youre reducing the flow of oxygen.
By reducing the flow of oxygen, youre taxing your system. Youre going to cause a release of steroids, of cortisol, the stress hormone. When the stress hormone goes off, then you have a suppression of the immune system.
Thats the reason that you have to be careful when you give people that are transplant patients immunosuppressives to reduce their immune system so that doesnt react [badly] to the organs.
What did they die from? They die from infection. They die from opportunistic infection things that wouldnt have hurt you or me, but because the immune system has been rendered incapable of mounting a response from the steroids, thats what they die from.
Theyre telling you [to] wear a mask which is now going to reduce your oxygen, which is going to stress your body, which is going to cause more cortisol, which is going to suppress your immune system, and now an opportunistic [infection] could cause a problem.
NOW ... do you get the picture and what those so-called
'experts' are trying to do to us ?
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posted on
05/29/2020 7:21:23 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Luke21
I rarely jump through all the hoops needed to post an article here,
................................................
JR should work on a simplification of the posting process. I’ve been on FR for several years and have posted more than 9,000 replies, but only one article because of the hassle of doing so.
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posted on
05/29/2020 7:25:49 PM PDT
by
fortes fortuna juvat
(No foreign enemy is as dangerous as the Democrat Party and its supporters.)
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