Posted on 03/22/2020 4:13:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
An adviser to Italy's minister of health, Professor Walter Ricciardi, said the coronavirus death rate in Italy may be higher than in other countries not only because of demographics -- Italy has the second oldest population in the world -- but also because of the way Italy records deaths of those who have tested positive for the coronavirus.
"The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus," Prof. Riccardi told The Telegraph.
"On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 percent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 percent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three," the professor explains.
The professor is not alone, as others say it's way too early to know the true mortality rate so long as the number of mild cases in the country remains unknown.
Italy's older population may also explain the large number of deaths being attributed to the coronavirus.
"The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older - the median is 67, while in China it was 46," the professor says. "So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality."
A study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 87 percent of the deaths in Italy attributed to the coronavirus and 40 percent of known infections have been people 70 years of age or older.
The coronavirus obviously poses a threat to the health and well-being of people all around the world, but it's probably a good idea to balance the panic and all the dire forecasts with a little bit of critical thinking.
Did he discuss the trade agreement with china that exposed italy in the first place? Bet they got a sweet deal since trump has held cchina to the fire. Bonus.. they get all those, now over 60 off the healthcare rolls. Globalism..
If so, it is yet another example of ‘lies, damn lies and statistics’ and is the reason I do not trust data coming from governments.
JoMa
The numbers always change when they no longer serve the appropriate interests.
Tough pill to swallow that governments lie more than the press does, but there it is.
reminder, tho Bloomberg didn’t acknowledge what this meant - namely the number of Covid-19 fatalities in Italy may be just a fraction of what is being published. it would be a joke if the West wasn’t shutting down their economies:
18 Mar: Bloomberg: 99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
By Tommaso Ebhardt, Chiara Remondini, and Marco Bertacche; With assistance by Karl Maier, and Alessandro Speciale
The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.
The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
Well, ain’t that something.
Since I am healthy but have three of the conditions specified as high risk...
...if I get the virus and die it’s not the virus that killed me.
Riiiiiight.
Remember — the first casualty in any crisis is the truth.
I read this theory before. Italy, apparently, lists cause-of-death like we list AIDS - if a 45 year old male has AIDS and dies of pneumonia, they’ll blame AIDS, not pneumonia, since AIDS left him vulnerable to pneumonia, when he otherwise should have been able to fight it off. In other words, the guy died pre-maturely, and that was due to having AIDS - so AIDS is the cause.
I guess we can flip it with Coronavirus if we want - they died of pneumonia, and thereby get our Coronavirus death rate down. Of course the number of people filling up the hospitals and needing to be cremated won’t change, but we’ll be able to tell the world that we have a lower death rate from Coronavirus!
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus,” Prof. Riccardi told The Telegraph.
What he’s saying here is that anyone dying in a hospital where there are people dying from the coronavirus will be counted as dying from the coronavirus.
One would only have to look at what is the daily death rate in Italy, before all this started.
I recall reading about how some/many European countries count various crimes, and it is difficult to compare them to USA statistics. In some European countries, inappropriate touching is called “rape” in their statistics.
That's one way to interpret his statement, but I don't see any reason to assert that this interpretation, rather than the, "He had coronavirus, but he 'really' died from COPD," interpretation, is accurate.
another thing. people should stop putting pressure on the President re testing.
when CDC says a billion people worldwide got seasonal flu and 650,000 to 1 million died or whatever, that doesn’t mean the billion or anything like that were tested.
it will be long after Covid-19 has run its course that any sense can be made of the stats, and they will still only be best guest-imates.
stop panic-ing. so far, Covid-19 looks fairly ordinary. don’t sweat over jumps in figures due to more testing, etc.
just wash your hands, and take care of you and yours generally.
it looks like the President will be put under pressure to lock down the economy indefinitely and there are already attempts to stop normal voting in November.
however he decides, the FakeNewsMSM will attack him. it wouldn’t be difficult to spread some covid-19 around if the Deep State wanted to claim he ended a lock-down prematurely. what a battle is ahead.
I also read, because of the surge on hospitals and the limited number of ventilators, doctors were having to decide who gets a ventilator - young person or old person. Naturally they went with the younger patient who had a better chance of survival, so the old person died.
still the most important piece which should be read by everyone:
17 Mar: StatNews: A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
By John P.A. Ioannidis
(John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University and co-director of Stanford’s Meta-Research Innovation Center)
The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable…
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
Wikipedia: John Ioannidis
In addition, he has pioneered the field of meta-research (research on research). He has shown that much of the published research does not meet good scientific standards of evidence.
Ioannidis studies scientific research itself, especially in clinical medicine and the social sciences. He is one of the most-cited scientists in literature. His 2005 paper “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False” is the most downloaded paper in the Public Library of Science, and has the highest number of Mendeley readers across all science.”…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis
Well technically, not many people die from the flu. They get pneumonia from having the flu and then die yet they go into flu death stats. Bottom line is, most of those people in Italy wouldn’t be dead no if there was no chinavirus.
I don’t think it was a mere coincidence
How many people die in Italy on a normal day? What are the causes of death of those who aren't listed as being from the Chinese virus?
Money is saved on autopsies, although it can be safely assumed that those dying while being respirated were COVID-19 victims.
Italy was part of the Chinese Silk Road program
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A commie Colonization world wide take over strategy .
These were thousands of Chinese infested in Italy .
They brought the bioweapon virus and the first to get sick .
Our sicko media continues to hid that fact .
That is why China was handing them medical equipment ,
It was for there colonizers .
China needs to pay and be dropped.
Trump needs to stop them .
I’m interested primarily with whether they contracted pneumonia shortly before death. That seems to be the tell. Maybe their kidneys or heart did give out, but if it was in the middle of a recent pneumonia, I’d be
pointing the finger at pneumonia.
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