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Iran says it ‘unintentionally’ shot down Ukrainian jetliner
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian state TV, citing a military statement, says the country ‘unintentionally ^ | 1/10/2020 | uncredited

Posted on 01/10/2020 7:52:59 PM PST by Eddie01

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian state TV, citing a military statement, says the country ‘unintentionally

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; missile; ukraine
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To: Eddie01

For those who have followed the entire thread, the only reason why this happened was because the Mullahs planned to blame Trump for shootting down the plane. This lie became untenable, so they reverted to plan B.


141 posted on 01/11/2020 4:20:13 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Praxeologue

i.e, fog of war


142 posted on 01/11/2020 4:22:53 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: ETCM

Remember, the Iranians often select for political reliability and religious fervor in their military, not competence.

Also, the US military has had some ugly experience with some idiot putting a system on automatic and cutting the man out of the loop. See the M247 Sargent York DIVAD air defense vehicle.


143 posted on 01/11/2020 4:32:04 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: All

This is the second biggest mistake they have made, the biggest one is that they imagine they enjoy some special relationship with the Creator. I guess that one will come to their attention in a different way.


144 posted on 01/11/2020 4:34:17 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (Nobody reads this anyway so here's my password: *************)
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To: Eddie01

Yea, I ra shot it down! BUT WHY !!!! did/does an airliner or an airport operate when military hostilities exist right next door???? Shooting missiles too? Iran, the pilot, the airport, air traffic control...all have a part in this.


145 posted on 01/11/2020 4:41:39 AM PST by devane617 (Kyrie Eleison, where I'm going, will you follow?)
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To: hanamizu

” But why was the Teheran airport even open under those circumstances?”

Because the Iranian leadership is operating basically in the terrorist mode. Civilian activities are literally below their radar. They don’t care.


146 posted on 01/11/2020 5:28:29 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: null and void
Was that wanton disregard for safety, common sense and morals?

It took 14 posts for someone to state the obvious?

Sad.

147 posted on 01/11/2020 5:33:02 AM PST by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Equine1952

No one in my family will have landed or taken off from Iran. Unless those in the military as part of an attack.


148 posted on 01/11/2020 5:34:19 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: vladimir998

I’m starting to believe Trump may beat Reagan, and win 50 states. As much as some people complain about Trump, it’s only the voter and his/her wallet in the voting booth.


149 posted on 01/11/2020 5:48:17 AM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Jim Noble; Celtic Conservative

*shrug* Innocent people died, emotions run high.

We’re Americans, we care about strangers, we seek accountability and justice.

My first thought was ‘Those sons of bitches!’. I won’t fault someone else for voicing those thoughts, but as soon as I, myself, calm down, I will try to pull the dialog back from raw emotion.

In a just world (sadly, not this one) an honest investigation would find the root causes, put procedures and improved hardware in place to prevent another incident, and if malice in found, punish the miscreants responsible.

In a just world...


150 posted on 01/11/2020 6:39:50 AM PST by null and void (The government wants to disarm us after 243 yrs 'cuz they plan to do things we would shoot them for!)
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To: eyedigress; Squawk 8888
That squawk set it apart.

Has anyone heard from Squawk 8888 lately?

151 posted on 01/11/2020 6:46:40 AM PST by null and void (The government wants to disarm us after 243 yrs 'cuz they plan to do things we would shoot them for!)
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To: DoughtyOne
How tragic when it’s real life, so much death and destruction.

If Iran would simply stay in its own nation, and quit screwing around with it’s neighbors, this type of thing wouldn’t happen.

It tried to play big dog with us, and this was the result.

Sure wish Iran’s leadership would do some soul searching and alter their game plan.

I don't think the mullahs can help themselves.

This is doubly tragic, because, just think of how much better off Iran and Iranians would be if Iran would take the money, energy, and lives it spends on terror, nukes, and mischief, and spend 90% of that on infrastructure and development (refineries, more dams, and so on). 10% could go to a regional effort to suppress terrorism, give Palestinians* real jobs and homes, etc. (Of course this won't happen because it'd involve actual cooperation with Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, etc., but think of how much better off the region would be - much as Europe has mostly gotten past its thousands of years of barbaric conduct.) This would even benefit us to no small degree, and we could mostly if not entirely "get out", as most of the ME would prefer.

Iran could become, again, like Persia, a "great" country, at least regionally. But, no...

*This one is particularly galling: Not that I want to decrease employment opportunities for Filipinos, etc., working in ME nations, but, why have to import people of a different cultural and (mostly) religious background(s) who are not "oppressed", when you have people (mainly the Palestinians) you claim ARE heavily oppressed in your own back yard that you could give opportunities? Oh, I know, some of that is on the Palis themselves, but, still...

Yeah, I know "Kumbaya", and "Give Peace a chance" and all that, but so much of what Iran does is counterproductive and destructive to itself. And I am not saying Iran should not be able to defend itself from groups like ISIS - heck, Iran did a pretty good job in killing many of them... Unfortunately Iran fought ISIS not because ISIS were terrorists, they killed them because ISIS was a threat to the Mullah's ambitions, terrorism aside. If ISIS had somehow agreed to further those ambitions, Iran would have supported them to the hilt.

152 posted on 01/11/2020 6:54:43 AM PST by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left worth controlling.)
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To: Eddie01

Some moron general was strung too tight on the night they launched the missiles and ordered the shootdown under some assumption that it was a lone US bomber.


153 posted on 01/11/2020 7:42:45 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Eddie01

Like we would send just one.


154 posted on 01/11/2020 7:43:09 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: KC_Lion

I predicted that Trump would be blamed just a few hours after the news broke. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3806402/posts?page=156#156


155 posted on 01/11/2020 7:45:46 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

well, we think alike, sort of

You think General, I think Lieutenant.

I don’t think there was time to ask a General what to do


156 posted on 01/11/2020 7:46:49 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: null and void
My first take from 2 days ago looks about right.
157 posted on 01/11/2020 9:03:17 AM PST by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Eddie01

I believe that they accidentally shot down the Ukranian civilian aircraft. They actually thought it was an American plane.


158 posted on 01/11/2020 9:08:24 AM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Eddie01

Always trust a regime that will only do the right thing under duress.


159 posted on 01/11/2020 9:42:05 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Eddie01

Unintentional. Oopsie. Our bad. Yeah, tell that to the families.


160 posted on 01/11/2020 9:57:46 AM PST by bgill
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