Posted on 01/07/2020 5:24:47 AM PST by oldvirginian
The following bill, profiled January 6, 2020, in the Virginia House of Delegates makes indoor shooting ranges not owned by government illegal to own and operate.
HOUSE BILL NO. 567
Offered January 8, 2020
Prefiled January 6, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2, relating to indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government; exceptions; civil penalty.
---------- Patron-- Helmer
---------- Committee Referral Pending
---------- Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2 as follows:
§ 18.2-511.2. Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in private buildings; exceptions; penalty.
A. As used in this section, "indoor shooting range" means any fully enclosed or indoor area or facility designed for the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, or black powder or any other similar sport shooting.
B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.
C. Any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.
Actually when i first put that meme together last year, I had read that the quote existed in “”The Beginning of the Revolution in Russia”, Selected Works, Vol. I, International Publishers, New York, 1967”
Now I see one person saying the quote is not in the book...is that you?
I am redoing some memes with Lenin & similar others with a bullet hole in their foreheads, as they deserved; hopefully that meets with your approval
Thanks, BTerclinger!
Virginia helped start one revolution, lead CW1, and must be on board for CW2, whether it’s cold or hot. Plan B, the rural regions secede from Virginia and join up with West Virginia, which itself seceded. Then Richmond and the environs would be known as East Virginia, and WV and the rest of Virginia becomes simply Virginia.
Not East Virginia but Red Virginia.
Paragraph 1.B.(c) is the deal killer. Otherwise, you could have just had less than 50 employees and been OK. On the other hand, I believe every range does keep records of all names and addresses of users, except they add the requirement that the names and addresses be verified.
On the other hand, ID can be verified with government-issued photo ID. Somehow, that’s too onerous for voters, but for range shooters...
...and this is relevant to the main issue, why?
“Then Richmond and the environs would be known as East Virginia, and WV and the rest of Virginia becomes simply CommieGina.”
/fixed it
I used to use quotes like that without checking and I got burned a lot. There is a similar Hitler quote which is also too good to be true.
Just check and see if you can find an original source, not just quotes from the Interwebs.
If you can’t, it’s probably best to not use them.
The title of the article is that the bill “makes indoor shooting ranges illegal.” I pointed out that that isn’t true, by and large. Seems pretty relevant to me.
I think you’re misreading it, which is understandable because of how it’s printed.
It is subsection 1(B)(ii)(c). If you have less than 50 employees in the building, you’re under 1(B)(i) and are not subject to that requirement.
And we all know about Democrats and projection!
The wording is subject to interpretation, but of the four indoor ranges I know of within about 15 miles, all are in buildings with more than 50 employees and two of them have more than 50 employees directly. This bill would be disastrous if implemented as written IMO.
TO all, really.
The bill is specifically targeting privately-owned shooting ranges in buildings that have more than 50 employees.
The ‘intent’ is to eliminate the never-experienced possibility that a shooter will come to the gun range, get out their gun, and then head to the other parts of the building and shoot up a lot of people.
They don’t apparently care if they kill a dozen people, so they are limiting it to 50 or more possible victims.
I can’t imagine an active shooter choosing to start shooting in a place that has dozens of armed and trained people in a shooting range ready to kill them.
Anyway, the bill is written to not impact local and state police training areas, hence the government building exception, the 90% exception, the 50% exception. And the collection of data is supposed to deter criminals, somehow.
IN effect though, it looks like this is targeting the NRA building in Fairfax, which has more than 50 people in it. I don’t know if there are other shooting ranges similar to that in other parts of the state.
No, not quite right. The problem is that the Republicans have run bad candidates. Loser candidates. That is the problem.
That was my read, as well, both with regard to the “active shooter” rationale and the probable targeting of the NRA range. In the minds of liberals (meaning the audience of this law, not the authors), guns make people crazy, so they probably don’t think a shooter will go to the range planning to commit mass murder, but will simply do so spontaneously once exposed to a gun.
I’m not in Virginia, so I don’t know if there are any ranges there to which this would apply other than the NRA. I live in Houston, which is probably the largest city in the country with widespread gun ownership. Of the dozen or so indoor ranges in the area I can think of, only one is in a multi-tenant building, and that building only has one other tenant, a pawn shop.
I don’t know what they’re actually hoping to achieve beyond shutting down the NRA range.
Yes there are and in Northern Virginia. Check out SilverEagleGroup.com for instance, plus there are at least two more shooting ranges in a strip mall shopping center and a connected office park in the area.
Whatever it is, I’m against it. I had 18 years in a law office, and I can still misread convoluted, deliberately confusing statutory language. Haven’t lost my touch;-)
I don’t get the reference.
Yes, it looks like the Elite Sports Center in my county actually employs more than 50 people, and would be shut down.
I don’t own a gun, but I’m thinking about taking the concealed carry course there, before the democrats make it hard, mostly so that if I ever have a gun I don’t have to lock it in a box and hide it in my wheel well.
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