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Watergate and The Trump Crisis
Vanity | November 14, 2019 | Jim Noble

Posted on 11/14/2019 1:26:02 PM PST by Jim Noble

Richard Nixon was elected to his second term as President in November 1972 with 60.1% of the popular vote and 520 electoral votes. Less than two years later, he was removed from office (forced to resign) by a conspiracy orchestrated by the CIA (Woodward), the FBI (Felt), the media (Bradlee, Bernstein) and Democrats in Congress.

At the time, no American was more enthusiastic for his removal than me. I was a true Watergate fanatic. I ate, slept, and talked Watergate. The day he resigned, I was overjoyed.

I was fooled, and many are being fooled right now, in the same way, by the same conspirators, following the same script aiming for the same outcome.

Let me explain.

Nixon had campaign operatives commit a crime (burglary) for the purpose of finding evidence of another crime (prostitution) and to hurt his enemies. He made a mistake doing this. He rationalized it, I'm sure, by reference to the innumerable crimes of the whoremaster John Kennedy and his successor LBJ. This happened in June of 1972. By the time America went to the polls in November, every single American knew the President's men had broken into the Watergate and believed or strongly suspected that he was somehow involved.

Nevertheless, the voters gave Nixon the largest COMBINED popular and electoral vote majority in the history of the nation. But the Deep State did not agree with the voters' verdict.

So, they constructed a narrative which was supposed to take months, maybe more than a year, to play out.

Those of us who were alive in those days remember the drip, drip, drip of revelation after revelation, "discovered" by CIA operative Woodward and leaked to Bernstein by FBI operative Felt. It was SO EXCITING! LIKE A MOVIE! EXCEPT IT WAS REAL!

But, of course, it wasn't real at all. Every "fact", real and invented, was known to the coup plotters from the beginning.

Had the Democrats in Congress opened an "impeachment inquiry" in January of 1973, they would have been laughed out of town. But that wasn't what they were trying to do.

What they wanted, and what they eventually got, was to get Nixon's Republican defenders to coalesce around a defense that the Deep State know was false, could prove was false, and would drop on the Republicans like an atom bomb at just the right moment.

Alexander Butterfield "accidentally revealed" the existence of White House tapes at a Senate hearing. Of course, this wasn't an accident. And it wasn't a secret, not from the CIA, not from the FBI, not from the traitors on the National Security Council and the other Deep State organs (yes, Henry Kissinger, I'm looking at you).

At the time, it was inconceivable that anyone other than "Tricky Dick" could have erased the famous 18 minute segment. But it's much more likely now, after seeing Ciamarella and Vindman in action, that this was done with malicious intent by globalist spies in the White House still smarting over the spanking delivered to McGovern less that 24 months earlier.

The correct defense of Richard Nixon was to confess that his subordinates had done it, to name his predecessors who had done much, much worse, to apologize to the whore involved, and to point America towards her future.

Once again, Republicans are coalescing around a point (no quid-pro-quo) that the other side knows is false, and can prove is false.

Soon, they will have Republicans saying. "Well, of course, we AGREE with our friends across the aisle that IF the President offered something to the President of Ukraine, taht he deserves to be removed, BUT, we know he didn't" - and when teh bad guys produce the tape recording of the phone call they've had all along, out he goes.

Trump's proper defense is, "You're goddam right I ordered the Code Red". anything less is bound to fail.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aintispecial; belongsinchat; blasphemy; chat; cia; deepstate; forumabuse; learntopost; lordsnameinvain; nixon; notnews; profanityvanity; stupidvanity; trump; vanity; vanityprofanity; watergate
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To: MNJohnnie

From what I can tell, they’re immune to facts.


41 posted on 11/14/2019 2:11:21 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: erkelly

Thank you, now I can go to my grave firm in the belief that I was, after all, NOT the only person on earth who was sure Nixon was being railroaded. It’s been a lonely forty years, let me tell you.


42 posted on 11/14/2019 2:12:42 PM PST by Segovia
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To: Texas Eagle; MNJohnnie

“”Woodward enrolled in Yale College with a Naval Reserve Officers Training Corps (NROTC) scholarship and studied history and English literature. While at Yale, Woodward joined the Phi Gamma Delta fraternity and was a member of the prestigious secret society Book and Snake.[4][5] He received his B.A. degree in 1965 and began a five-year tour of duty in the United States Navy.[6] During his service in the Navy, Woodward served aboard the USS Wright, and was one of two officers assigned to move or handle nuclear launch codes the Wright carried in its capacity as a NECPA””

This doesn’t qualify as Naval Intelligence. Easy enough to check. I’m not buying much else in this thread either. If I remember right - and again, easy enough to check - Nixon did not HAVE his “operatives” break into the Watergate - he was accused of “covering it up” and that was the “crime” he was accused of - not ordering the break in. Purely conjecture that Woodward was CIA. THAT would have come out at the same time Felt was revealed if true. Guessing at plots and subplots doesn’t do much for anyone!


43 posted on 11/14/2019 2:14:18 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: scottinoc

>Terrorism was happening on our soil on a regular basis (well before 9/11).

And they were domestic terrorists almost certainly supported by Soviet operatives. Some of whom (Bill Ayers) were key early supporters of BHO.


44 posted on 11/14/2019 2:15:48 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: chris37

Especially when the supposed victims are stating pulbically it IS a lie!

U.S. envoy Sondland did not link Biden probe to aid: Ukraine minister
Reuters ^ | 11/14/19 |


45 posted on 11/14/2019 2:20:07 PM PST by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: marktwain
While the media in 1974 was a big part of Nixon's downfall, as covered in this post public sentiment was bullish on Nixon in the beginning of 1973. What really did him in (aside from authorizing a break-in...) was a spike in inflation and the onset of an energy-induced recession. His downfall in polling numbers tracks the economy more than Watergate hearings.

If the economy stayed healthy, it is plausible that Nixon would have survived Watergate: Americans are pretty tolerant of things when the economy is good, but we become downright agitated during a recession.

And let's not forget, Nixon created the EPA, took us off the gold standard, and imposed wage and price controls/preempted Bonanza. As Max Boot at the WSJ once wrote, getting Nixon for Watergate was like getting Capone for Tax Evasion.

46 posted on 11/14/2019 2:21:11 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^s)
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To: Segovia
He should have been impeached for taking us off the Gold standard. He was a king globalist traitor. He should not be mentioned in the same thread as Trump.
47 posted on 11/14/2019 2:21:56 PM PST by cowboyusa (America Cowboy Up)
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To: Jim Noble

I think your solution is the absolutely the wrong thing to do. There are a number of Republicans who are looking for a valid reason to turn on President Trump and him admitting he did wrong (even though he clearly did not) would give them the out they need. He confessed they would cheerfully proclaim. Right now there is zero evidence to support the Democrat narrative being put forth, especially after the Mueller debacle. They realize that even though they may not care for President Trump, the base does. So unless they have gone completely insane as has Romney, they are hesitant to move against our President. No need to give them a reason to do so, especially since, I’ll state it again, he did nothing wrong.


48 posted on 11/14/2019 2:24:52 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Jim Noble

Nope. It’s the first. JFK was shot by the Soviets/Cubans. Let’s not forget, the Soviets did a huge disinformation campaign, one that was personally funded by the Central Communist Party, all in order to pin the blame on right-wingers, conservatives, LBJ, Bush, CIA, and the like, something that would NOT have been done had they been innocent of the whole affair (after all, why would they make a disinformation campaign about something they had no involvement with in the first place). I believe it was called Operation Dragon, and Ion Mihai Pacepa can relay all that information on it (in fact, he’d know about the operation, since he helped create it like several other KGB disinformation campaigns).


49 posted on 11/14/2019 2:25:16 PM PST by otness_e
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To: marktwain

History does repeat itself, more often than we realize. 8>)


50 posted on 11/14/2019 2:26:39 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: marktwain

History does repeat itself, more often than we realize. 8>)


51 posted on 11/14/2019 2:26:49 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: marktwain
History does repeat itself, more often than we realize. 8>)

I should add, because both candidates got the attention of voters despite the media and deep state objections and dismay. 8>)

52 posted on 11/14/2019 2:28:02 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: MNJohnnie; Jim Noble

I think the proper response to this matter is to give these lying bastards not even a single inch.

Make them fight, scratch and crawl for everything they may get, meanwhile take every, single thing from them.

F*** THESE GUYS!

That’s my thoughts on the matter of strategy, please pardon mah Francais!


53 posted on 11/14/2019 2:28:53 PM PST by chris37 (Where's Hunter?)
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To: FreedomPoster
"From what I can tell, they’re immune to facts."

Should they succeed, I would hope that Patriotic Americans will withdraw the consent of the governed and take back their government.

54 posted on 11/14/2019 2:30:27 PM PST by Truth29
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To: MNJohnnie

While I disagree with Mr. Noble on some of this I do see a danger in the singular defense of no quid pro quo. It strikes me as making Trump vulnerable. I wish he would focus more on the fact he is following 20 year old treaty that requires him to investigate corruption.


55 posted on 11/14/2019 2:31:25 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: DoodleBob

Didn’t Nixon easily win reelection in 1972, not to mention win the Vietnam War and even had a Victory in Vietnam Day according to Prager U? I’m pretty sure if Americans hated him as you claim, they would have gone for McGovern, not Nixon, especially when Nixon easily beat McGovern.

And to be fair regarding the EPA, at the time, the EPA was actually needed, due to there being actual environmental damage going on (”crud” originally referred to toxic sediment within the rivers). Now, that being said, it should have been a temporary agency that got closed down once it was all clear. I can’t comment on the whole gold standard thing, though, or the wage and price controls (I’m pretty sure that predated Nixon, and in fact was present during the FDR era).


56 posted on 11/14/2019 2:31:26 PM PST by otness_e
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To: Jim Noble

They weren’t looking for prostitution, they were looking for treason by the DNC.


57 posted on 11/14/2019 2:31:34 PM PST by stockpirate (Anyone who believes Epstein killed himself is a fool)
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To: DoodleBob

Yes, Nixon was a Progressive Republican.

Watergate succeeded in part, because of the economy.

Watergate was leveraged by the Media to more and more control over American politics.


58 posted on 11/14/2019 2:34:01 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Jim Noble

I hate to break it to you but the story of JFK’s assassination is the same as the three presidential assassinations that preceded his: a misfit and a firearm came across an opportunity...


59 posted on 11/14/2019 2:39:37 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: Segovia

I’m with you and don’t buy the tale in the thread. Like a lot here, we sat through it and watched every second of the impeachment hearing on TV... I had a newborn and was up in the night and got to watch it over again...Read all the books written about it. I don’t believe for a minute that no one was surprised about Butterfield’s revelation about the taping system. Now that I think about it, I believe that was the investigation by the Senate Watergate Committee and not the House as Butterfield was sitting in front of the committee when he answered the questions. Just as John Dean was.


60 posted on 11/14/2019 2:41:48 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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