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How a lawsuit over Detroit schools could have an 'earth-shattering' impact
NBC News ^ | October 28, 2019 | Erin Einhorn

Posted on 11/01/2019 8:25:23 AM PDT by grundle

Helen Moore of Detroit leads a group of protesters outside the federal courthouse in Cincinnati last Thursday.

"Every school in the country would be affected," one expert said. "There could be a lot of litigation."

After two years of struggling to pass any of his community college classes, Jamarria Hall, 19, knows this for certain: His high school did not prepare him.

The four years he spent at Detroit’s Osborn High School were “a big waste of time,” he said, recalling 11th and 12th grade English classes where students were taught from materials labeled for third or fourth graders, and where long-term substitutes showed movies instead of teaching.

What’s less certain, however, is whether Hall's education in Detroit’s long-troubled school district was so awful, so insufficient, that it violated his constitutional rights.

That’s the question now before a federal appeals court that heard arguments last week in one of two cases that experts say could have sweeping implications for schools across the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Michigan; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: cincinnati; cultureofcorruption; detroit; education; helenmoore; jamarriahall; judiciary; michigan; naughtyteacherslist; neamia; ohio; teachersunion; thebellcurve
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“Schools are between a rock and a hard place on this issue. Upgrading standards which cause students to flunk a grade or cause more to dropout, will be deemed racist.”

One solution is to go back to segregated schools with black students and teachers.

Better solution is for the two races to split into separate countries with each running their businesses as they see fit.


41 posted on 11/01/2019 9:03:18 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: pepsionice

I could tell in the first line of a report if it had been dictated by my boss. They’d be in Ebonics. He’d constantly call me in to interpret my reports because he didn’t know the meaning of simple English words. A co-worker was just as bad speaking Ebonics. It took me a while to understand “pepper traitor” was “perpetrator”. Both held college degrees.


42 posted on 11/01/2019 9:03:46 AM PDT by bgill
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To: grundle

Easy solution. STOP voting for Democrats!!!!

School choice and a cash voucher from the Federal DoE taking all of the state organizations out of the mix.

Good teachers will be paid a good wage by the super abundance of private/parochial/secular schools which will start and bad teachers will be asking if you want fries with that sandwich.


43 posted on 11/01/2019 9:03:50 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I would argue that geometry is more important than algebra. Its primary function is to add a visual/spatial aspect to the instruction of logic and analytical thought processes.


44 posted on 11/01/2019 9:05:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: grundle

“... 11th and 12th grade English classes where students were taught from materials labeled for third or fourth graders”.


Of course they were. The students in those classes never mastered 4th-grade material. Holding them back until they did would result in 4th-grade classes with 17-year olds.

Many years ago, Missouri passed a last-minute education bill—kind of like Obama Care in that no one had actually read what was in the bill. After it passed and everyone was patting each other on the back for a job well done it was discovered that one representative had sneaked in a requirement that students had to be able to read at a 3rd-grade level before being passed to 4th.

The reality of this requirement send chills down the backs of legislators and educators alike. Since more than half of 3rd graders would surely fail the test, the next year would see small 4th grades and giant 3rd grades. Two years later it would get worse. So of course the provision was immediately repealed.

Detroit public high schools have to have 4th-grade English classes because too many Detroit high schoolers are functioning at a 4th grade level—and that might be on their good days.


45 posted on 11/01/2019 9:05:30 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: FreedomPoster

In reality, it is the state and local government busy bodies who are taking the federal funds and using them for their own private social experiments.

Get rid of all of them by school choice and school vouchers. The local idiots can’t control where you spend the money and the Federal bureaucrats would have their fiefdoms decimated by the pink slips.


46 posted on 11/01/2019 9:07:08 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“But ladies with all due respect you’ve got to stop voting for Democrats”

That statement, in bold letters, should be written on every street and highway sign, the headline of every newspaper and sub script on every TV news station.


47 posted on 11/01/2019 9:07:20 AM PDT by Cold Heart (.)
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To: bgill
It took me a while to understand “pepper traitor” was “perpetrator”. Both held college degrees.

LMAO.

Is this like using the “hemlock maneuver” on a choking victim ... or taking antibiotics to treat your bad case of “ammonia?”

48 posted on 11/01/2019 9:07:56 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Typically the right to an education falls under the Constitution of a State and in my research they create or appoint an agency that is in “charge” of educating the populace in a given state. It is done for very pragmatic reasons, to develop the people in each state into a level of competence and skills that enable businesses in their state to find employees and grow the financial health and well being for all.

As to “free” look at where your taxes go, children or not. The funding for the school system is added in as a component and whether or not you have children or they have passed through the required educational levels (K-12) you still pay for it.

The question I take away from this is the “lock” the Edutocracy has on “Public Education” Parents should be able to direct the funding allocated to each student for attendance at the school of their choosing. The death grip the Unions have on this vital function prevents the ascendance of alternatives without a parent paying twice or more.

When I lived in Chicago there was a fairly robust “Catholic” run alternative but the funding was from the parents, not the state. People would pay the fee to go their as the education overall was superior and at their choosing the Religious element was included as well.

So it is not free by a casual viewpoint but without it many children did go basically uneducated as the family farm or other vocation at the time did not require it. But consider this, if you think the average person is poorly informed or educated today consider the consequences of leaving it up to the parents who themselves were denied this vital component.


49 posted on 11/01/2019 9:08:54 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: grundle

What is interesting about this case is that it isn’t primarily about the level of funding. It is about disparities of quality as reflected in different outcomes. On average, Michigan spends $9,996 per child in public school. Detroit spends $15,459. The local government has clearly failed to deliver the quality of education deliver ed elsewhere in the state.


50 posted on 11/01/2019 9:09:34 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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To: Alberta's Child

It’s an integral portion of the part that says law enforcement can force kids to go and punish their patents if they do not. If one then the other.


51 posted on 11/01/2019 9:10:03 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: Alberta's Child

Thank Jimmy Carter and his Department of Education for nationalizing education.

One of Reagan’s failures was not disbanding this department.


52 posted on 11/01/2019 9:12:25 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Alberta's Child

Too damned bad.
They impose truancy laws they inherit responsibility.


53 posted on 11/01/2019 9:12:28 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: vladimir998
Democrats do not want genuine education to thrive in minority neighborhoods.

Educrats want the money students generate for the system - - - but NOT the work involved in teaching the children.

Prime example?

I knew a young Russian child who moved to the US when he was 7 - smart child - - good person. The school system put him in classes called 'English as a Second Language' - classes taught in Spanish since most of the children were Hispanic. He had to learn Spanish first to learn English. It was cruel... a total waste of time. He would have been much better off in regular classes. Sadly it was typical of the insensitivity of the 'education' system - they went with financial incentives - kids in 'English as a second language' classes generated MORE money for the school system. When he was 11 he couldn't read be beyond three and four letter words - and few of those...

(An aside: when people in the family realized what was happening they taught him how to read using books like Harry Potter - allowing reading to be fun... today he's married, three kids, beautiful home and wife with enough money to 'buy and sell' most of the people in his family...)

54 posted on 11/01/2019 9:13:17 AM PDT by GOPJ (This is the Democrat Party using its vote advantage to overturn the results of an election-BenLurkin)
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To: Alberta's Child
I would argue that geometry is more important than algebra

Yea you probably could. But like I said, I never had to rely on what I didn't learn in Geometry in my entire life........

55 posted on 11/01/2019 9:13:28 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: pepsionice
I would almost imagine that he’s basically at the 7th-to-8th grade level.

The average American adult is not at that level. For example, read the typical news reports in the paper. They are written at a middle school level or even lower.

57 posted on 11/01/2019 9:16:30 AM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: grundle

The big impact on states will be if the courts order a minimum amount of funding to provide this “basic right to literacy.” That will directly conflict with medicaid expansion in many states. Property taxes would likely rise as well as sales tax.

To me the obvious solution would be back to basics. But since so much of the school day is indoctrination that seems unlikely. There is also the question of ESE? For example, What would the “basic right to literacy” look like for an autistic student? Then does this mean less administrators and more teachers- I doubt it. Who decides if the schools are reaching that standard? In any case the cost of government schools will go way up.


58 posted on 11/01/2019 9:17:43 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Alberta's Child

It is Plank #10 of the Communist manifesto.

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html


59 posted on 11/01/2019 9:18:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats only believe in democracy when they win the election.)
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To: grundle

I’m sure the defendants have a point. “If we teach kids how to think for themselves, they might vote Republican!”


60 posted on 11/01/2019 9:18:23 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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