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How a lawsuit over Detroit schools could have an 'earth-shattering' impact
NBC News ^ | October 28, 2019 | Erin Einhorn

Posted on 11/01/2019 8:25:23 AM PDT by grundle

Helen Moore of Detroit leads a group of protesters outside the federal courthouse in Cincinnati last Thursday.

"Every school in the country would be affected," one expert said. "There could be a lot of litigation."

After two years of struggling to pass any of his community college classes, Jamarria Hall, 19, knows this for certain: His high school did not prepare him.

The four years he spent at Detroit’s Osborn High School were “a big waste of time,” he said, recalling 11th and 12th grade English classes where students were taught from materials labeled for third or fourth graders, and where long-term substitutes showed movies instead of teaching.

What’s less certain, however, is whether Hall's education in Detroit’s long-troubled school district was so awful, so insufficient, that it violated his constitutional rights.

That’s the question now before a federal appeals court that heard arguments last week in one of two cases that experts say could have sweeping implications for schools across the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Michigan; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: cincinnati; cultureofcorruption; detroit; education; helenmoore; jamarriahall; judiciary; michigan; naughtyteacherslist; neamia; ohio; teachersunion; thebellcurve
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To: Tax-chick

If schools aren’t responsible for student outcomes, then vouchers are a must.


21 posted on 11/01/2019 8:42:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: vladimir998

Absolutely they do not

While I would hate to see the courts get involved in another judgment call I have to agree with the lady in the multi colored sign

But ladies with all due respect you’ve got to stop voting for Democrats


22 posted on 11/01/2019 8:45:35 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Pussie Smollett, Mizzou, campus fake nooses, fake "protests" FAKE EVERYTHING Hey CNN?)
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To: grundle
I think the issue boils down to the following:

If the government is going to compel you to send your children to a government school,

and the government is going to compel you to pay taxes to support those government schools,

then the parent/student has a right to expect them to deliver on a defined end product.

While I believe this is a reasonable expectation for compulsory participation in the educational system, I sincerely doubt the courts will find the same or similar conclusion.

23 posted on 11/01/2019 8:45:42 AM PDT by sjmjax
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To: Tax-chick

I can not disagree, however from what I read the issue is the curriculum would never allow education that would provide English adequate for community college entry and success. The specifics of the litigation may be different than the decision of which you speak.

The student was unable to access adequate high school course work that enabled an education adequate for community college success.

I understand your point and know personally of your thought. The son of a close business associate received a baseball scholarship from a small private college. He lost it simply because he could not do any of the course work and did not actually survive the first semester. The fault was his because his school was good but he was just lazy and blew it. In effect, he brought shame on himself and his mother.


24 posted on 11/01/2019 8:46:39 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: grundle

Yes, government schools are simply self-sustaining bureaucracies. “Education” is a secondary consideration.

But it also seems that these parents want to take even less responsibility for their own children. They are angry they even have to worry about it.


25 posted on 11/01/2019 8:47:16 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: pepsionice

I agree with you on the merits, but there were children who couldn’t read or add back when previous lawsuits went nowhere.

The court ruled that schools do not have a specific responsibility to any individual student or his/her family.


26 posted on 11/01/2019 8:47:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Down with the ChiComs! Independence for Hong Kong!)
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To: grundle

You can take a horse to water...


27 posted on 11/01/2019 8:48:15 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Usually the child’s/student’s rights to an education is part of a State’s constitution.


28 posted on 11/01/2019 8:48:55 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: grundle

If he were that concerned, he’d have done independent study at school and at home. I’m betting he joined right in with the rest of his homies causing trouble in class.


29 posted on 11/01/2019 8:49:58 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Alberta's Child
Sounds like he got most of his "education" from lawyer infomercials on TV.

♪ kids picking on you ♪ well, don't be sad ♪ just sue their asses ♪ with kyle's dad.

30 posted on 11/01/2019 8:50:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It’s against the rules in many lib school districts to fail any student.


31 posted on 11/01/2019 8:51:12 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bert
The specifics of the litigation may be different than the decision of which you speak.

In that case, we may hope for a different outcome.

I'm struggling right now with a son who doesn't want to try very hard at community college. He likes going to class - always tells me, when I drive him home, about things that interested him - but he doesn't want to work steadily.

I wish it was easier for an 18-year-old to get a full-time job!

32 posted on 11/01/2019 8:51:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Down with the ChiComs! Independence for Hong Kong!)
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To: grundle
"cases, now snaking their way through the federal courts, could yield “enormous, almost earth-shattering change in terms of educational funding and educational opportunity"

Conspicuously absent from this summary and from the entire article is the word "union". It's not that the schools don't spend enough, it's that they don't spend it on the right things. The unions certainly get a bunch.

33 posted on 11/01/2019 8:52:00 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: fatez

Yet, you’re not holding him accountable. No reason he couldn’t pick up a book on his own.


34 posted on 11/01/2019 8:52:36 AM PDT by bgill
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To: lastchance

The problem is these kids think because they get a high school diploma..it is like everybody else..and when they cannot hold a job because they know nothing...they think it is racism..

They should be able to sue the school system in a class action suite..

One person probably not get far


35 posted on 11/01/2019 8:53:32 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: grundle

So Jamearria is flunking remedial English at the junior College level, so she’s complaining that the high school gave in to the blacks’ demands to let them skate through high school English or else they would sue the schools for discrimation.

It is becoming my ever firmer belief that blacks and whites will never be able to peacefully coexist together.


36 posted on 11/01/2019 8:56:53 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: pepsionice
pre-college math class

Any math class beyond algebra in high school such as geometry is a waste of time unless you intend to become an engineer.

Geometry was the only class I flunked in high school. And to this day, there has never been one occasion where I needed it.

37 posted on 11/01/2019 8:58:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: grundle

Schools are a reflection of the community. If you want better schools change the culture of the community.


38 posted on 11/01/2019 9:00:12 AM PDT by beekay
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To: Dilbert San Diego

NEA made that bed along with affirmative action and the victimhood both push. No sympathy for ignorance or poor voting habits.


39 posted on 11/01/2019 9:01:41 AM PDT by enduserindy (IÂ’m done explaining basic math and the definition of freedom.)
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To: lastchance

Then he can deal with this in a state court.


40 posted on 11/01/2019 9:02:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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