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Army thrilled as next-gen 6.8mm squad weapons once thought 'unachievable' are revealed
The Washington Times ^ | October 23, 2019 | Douglas Ernst

Posted on 10/23/2019 3:03:45 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: Spktyr

Yea. Those are kids though.


61 posted on 10/23/2019 5:41:14 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: The Toll

It works until it fouls the upper enough that it doesn’t work.

I’ll stick with my piston guns - SR556, FAL, Saiga 12, etc.


62 posted on 10/23/2019 5:41:39 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: carriage_hill

Ping.


63 posted on 10/23/2019 5:43:59 PM PDT by lightman (Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
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To: Spktyr

Brownells actually put out a decent piston AR recently. I could never FOR di over piston in good faith.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHaF1jPxSc


64 posted on 10/23/2019 5:45:25 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Manly Warrior

I have a registered M16A1.I have never had a jam or failure to feed in 15K rounds.The calcium carbonate was there as a PH adjustment,not to adjust the burn rate.I’ve loaded thousands of rounds using WC844 ball powder-no problems.But IMR 8208 was the original intended powder.


65 posted on 10/23/2019 5:46:46 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Seruzawa

“It’s way past time that 5.56 got replaced.”

It’s not the caliber that’s the problem. It’s the bullet. Give our guys something in the 70 grain range, preferably a soft point, and it’ll drop bad guys right there.

L


66 posted on 10/23/2019 5:47:24 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: The Toll

The Tavor in the hands of a trained soldier is within 5% as fast as the M4 at mag change per the Israelis who have issued both. Catch is, we have SO many people that can’t seem to get another manual of arms other than the AR’s down that it’s not even funny.

Case in point, the guys in countries that run the modern AK variants - many of those guys can run the ‘slow’ AK a *lot* faster than you’d think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQQAW8DlR2k

The Tavor is in the same ballpark. It’s one of the few bullpups that is, but it’s no slouch.


67 posted on 10/23/2019 5:48:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: The Toll

Technically, that’s an AR-18 upper that will accept AR-15 lowers. I’ve seen it and am interested in getting one; my problem is that I’ve seen *so* many DI guns jam or have problems at the range due to the DI system in the last 40 years that I cannot trust the system. It only gets worse if you fire suppressed with all the crap blowing back in your face. I’ll stick with piston guns.


68 posted on 10/23/2019 5:50:43 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Mil-spec a piston system, I’m interested. Each manufacturer makes their own parts. My ar and a m16 will swap parts. Keep any of them clean and lubed they’ll run. Pistons run cooler and cleaner in the receiver area. I like the ar plateform but anything can be improved.


69 posted on 10/23/2019 5:50:56 PM PDT by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought))
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To: Spktyr

Ha. Ziga is a buddy of mine. I just shot with him in Finland not too long ago. They are awesome folks.


70 posted on 10/23/2019 5:53:31 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: jazusamo

For a long time I have wondered why don’t they change the 3 round burst to two, and have every other round in the mag, an Ap with the other a 55 grain.

Use two round burst as standard with the semi auto when it doesn’t matter what bullet is used. Also go back to 20 inches. That is still a pretty short barrel. Have the sights aligned for the 68 grain ap. The close range with the 55 grain would make little difference.


71 posted on 10/23/2019 5:57:30 PM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: Equine1952

HK’s M27 IAR is a mil-spec, accepted for general issue, piston gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M27_Infantry_Automatic_Rifle

The Marines are issuing those to every Marine in an infantry squad now.


72 posted on 10/23/2019 6:00:42 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: yarddog

Um, wouldn’t you see the point of impact shift between each projectile?


73 posted on 10/23/2019 6:02:12 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

sure but as long as one is with the sights it would be OK. Also you could use see through mags and have a line on one cartridge which would show what was in the chamber at that time.

One would have to hold under with the 55 grain and be on sight with the 68. For anything closer than 200 yards it probably would not make a difference.


74 posted on 10/23/2019 6:07:08 PM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: Spktyr

That’s interesting I haven’t built an ar recently wonder how the wife will take this news.


75 posted on 10/23/2019 6:12:57 PM PDT by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought))
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To: yarddog

Yeah, but if you fire a two round burst, you’re looking at firing two projectiles with significantly, even radically different points of impact versus your point of aim. That’s not a good thing. If you wanted to hit your target and nothing but, you’d have problems. I also can’t see that a soldier or Marine under stress is going to remember to check their mag to see which round they have in the chamber.


76 posted on 10/23/2019 6:14:29 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

There are 4 possible points of impact. 1, POI using 55 grain on semi. 2, POI using 68gr. ap. 3, POI with double burst with 55 gr. fired first, and 4, POI with double burst and 68gr round fired first.

Still I suspect it could be worked out, especially if the last two happened to be very close.


77 posted on 10/23/2019 6:22:07 PM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: Manly Warrior
I’d bet on a hybrid but fixed cased round (mild steel case head, metal or poly body, [probably brass/aluminum],dual purpose bullet [a la M855A1/M80 EPR bullet] and an updated progressive powder charge) over either a telescoped or caseless round.

It depends on who wins the competition. Sig is going with a hybrid brass and steel case. General Dynamics is using a composite case. Textron is using its cased telescoped ammunition.

"Who wins" will consider both the weapons and the ammo.

78 posted on 10/23/2019 6:23:06 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: yarddog

I wonder if Beto knows that bullets fired from an AR-15’s 16” barrel have more energy than those fired from the military’s M-4s.

Not really...I’m certain that he doesn’t know.


79 posted on 10/23/2019 6:45:32 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: lightman

Sweet rig!


80 posted on 10/23/2019 6:55:57 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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