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Turkey And Russia Are Declaring Peace In Syria
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| 10/23/2019
| Jazz Shaw
Posted on 10/23/2019 7:55:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
It’s all over but the shouting, and there really doesn’t even seem to be much of that. Yesterday was supposed to be the end of the ceasefire in northeastern Syria, at which point we expected the Turks to begin “cleansing” the twenty-mile wide border region of any remaining Kurdish fighters. But dawn broke and the fighting still seems to be on hold. The reason was announced earlier this morning and it seems that the Russians have stepped in and put all the combatants back in their respective corners. (Associated Press)
Turkeys Defense Ministry is signaling it wont resume its offensive in northeast Syria, following agreements reached with the U.S. and Russia.
The ministry said early on Wednesday the U.S. had announced Syrian Kurdish fighters completed their pullout from areas Turkey invaded this month as a five-day cease-fire allowing for the withdrawal expired.
This came after the leaders of Russia and Turkey announced a separate deal for their forces to jointly patrol almost the entire northeastern Syrian border after the Kurdish withdrawal.
I suppose we can look at this as one of those “good news, bad news” deals if you’re the optimistic sort. While they’ve lost their territory in the north, the Syrian Kurds have relocated to the south and are no longer being slaughtered. The border region is at least theoretically open for displaced Syrians to return and resettle the area. (There will be a lot of infrastructure work required before that can happen at any large scale, though.)
But what sort of peace has been achieved? The only reason nobody is fighting right now is that Russia is effectively in control of the entire northern border of Syria. To the east, they are jointly patrolling with the Turks (who apparently now own that territory). To the west, they are patrolling in coordination with Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian military. So the Russians now control not only the naval port at Tartus but essentially the entire northern section of the country.
At the same time, Russia’s relationship with Turkey seems to be a permanent fixture, splintering Erdogan’s nation further away from their supposed allies in NATO. With Iraq saying that our troops need to clear out of that country and Iran’s influence there on the rise, we basically no longer have a foothold anywhere in that region closer than Israel. (Well, these days I suppose we could count Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, but that’s iffy in its own way.)
A lack of shelling and people being “cleansed” along the border is still a good thing, and if our remaining troops are coming home that’s a plus also. But it’s impossible to deny at least the perception that we wound up being totally played in that part of the word. And if there’s a real winner here out of all the various interests competing in that region, it certainly looks like it’s the Russians.
Was this the ending we were shooting for after all these years of involvement? It doesn’t sound like it, but if we stop losing our soldiers over there perhaps it’s the best we could hope for now.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia; Syria
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To: MNJohnnie
What you said. If Rubio, Hillary or Kasich won the election, we’d probably all be dead.
To: lastchance
Is it possible that the presence of US troops in a warring region actually contributes to the continuation of conflict? It's FAR worse than that. While we didn't quite start Syria's civil war, we joined the war and dumped billions of dollars, weapons and training into it in an attempt to overthrow Assad. We significantly contributed to the humanitarian disaster, hundreds of thousands of deaths, 11 million displaced refugees, the refugee crisis in Europe and Turkey, and hundreds of millions of people effected.
Look up Operation Timber Sycamore to see how David Petraeus and Barack Obama got us into a war for Saudi Arabia and Qatar to overthrow Assad and build Europe a new gas pipeline through Syria...
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posted on
10/23/2019 5:52:02 PM PDT
by
ETCM
To: Spktyr
You like the drunk in the bar. You have no clue what your talking about at all but belligerently spewing your ignorance louder rather then learn from your errors You have zero understanding of the geopolitics in the Pacific. Don’t kid yourself that you do.
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posted on
10/23/2019 6:46:23 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
To: ETCM
That is very sobering and interesting. Thanks.
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posted on
10/23/2019 6:53:46 PM PDT
by
lastchance
(Credo.)
To: SeekAndFind
But what sort of peace has been achieved? This is what happens when your too stupid to survive planet Earth.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:08:23 PM PDT
by
Eddie01
(My very first mistake in life was believing that life was fair.)
To: MNJohnnie
Still waiting for you to locate “The Philippians” on a map...
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:10:19 PM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:15:33 PM PDT
by
fatima
(Free Hugs Today :))
To: SeekAndFind
Where is the German army?
48
posted on
10/24/2019 2:01:01 AM PDT
by
UnwashedPeasant
(Trump is solving the worldÂ’s problems only to distract us from Russia.)
To: Chauncey Gardiner
Thought to survive and a condemned people grab at life lines and life rafts... to eat is to fight to live another day. Until you walk in in their boots....
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posted on
10/24/2019 8:58:02 AM PDT
by
Jumper
To: entropy12
Or cold war mentality. Russia as a threat is over. It would take them 100+ years to rebuild what they had if they had the will to try to do it.
To: MNJohnnie
Sort of amazing to see you write these things now MNJohnnie.
We have all come a long way, I suppose.
It is important to carry a long stick, so that you don’t have to use it very often - if at all.
It is, however, Not so important to carry a long stick that you had to take loans out to pay for - in order to fight for national interests other than your own...
And in the end - leaving your children as eternal debt slaves on the continent their forefathers fought for.
That.... Is instead rather diabolical...
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posted on
10/27/2019 11:57:58 PM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: lastchance
In Syria it would have.
That is probably one of the things that set off Trump...
Any, Kurdish independence could only be kept up by a permanent American military presence, essentially prolonging the civil war to infinity.
And, from my analysis. The entire civil war in the first place would not even have taken place without American organization and support...
People like Obama and Clinton have a LOT to answer for...
I pray that they will.
The world needs and is crying out for some justice.
At the same time, you have the usual suspects here doing their agitprop in the keyword lines. Tell you most things you need to know about those sort of people.
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posted on
10/28/2019 12:05:49 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: rdcbn
That is of course all correct, and most analysts are well aware. Even thought that story goes a bit deeper as well, but
I will leave it there for now.
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posted on
10/28/2019 12:09:26 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: wiseprince
Hva you considered..... That this might have been one of the driving forces for the entire conflict in the first place?
In July 2011 Iran, Iraq and Syria said they planned to sign a contract potentially worth around $6bn to construct a pipeline running from South Pars towards Europe, via these countries and Lebanon and then under the Mediterranean to a European country, with a refinery and related infrastructure in Damascus.[1][6][7][8] In November 2012 the United States dismissed reports that construction had begun on the pipeline, saying that this had been claimed repeatedly and that “it never seems to materialize.”[9] A framework agreement was to be signed in early 2013, with costs now estimated at $10bn;[10] construction plans were delayed by the Syrian Civil War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq%E2%80%93Syria_pipeline
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posted on
10/28/2019 12:15:56 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: airborne
What were those lessons, and what have they forgotten?
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posted on
10/28/2019 12:17:08 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: Spktyr
“China goes to war with us, most of that debt disappears.”
Which really should scare people, but also relax them at the same time.
It would really be against Chinese interest to kill the cow they are milking.
The Chinese has seen and learnt that milking cows can be a very profitable business indeed.
Why would they kill the goose that lays their golden eggs - with which they can slowly take over the whole operation without a single shot fired. By using the tax dollars paid for by working Americans. It is almost a plan too perfect for words...
The Chinese comes from the nation of Sun Zu. It is a different culture, more patient, more ancient... and they are not stupid.
But, there might be war - but I would say others would be more likely instigating it.
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posted on
10/28/2019 12:23:32 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: entropy12
Exactly. Are you an economist too?
I studied China, Chinese culture and business practices back as an economist way back when...
Australia? Why should they attack Australia?
It is already falling into their hands like a ripe fruit...
When you employ slightly longer timescales than the 4 year election cycle...
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posted on
10/28/2019 12:26:01 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: ETCM
Oh, I see you were already here before me.
I am glad to see that a lot of us has learnt through these years.
Though, I would argue that we pretty much DID start the meaningful part of it.
Without foreign involvement it most likely would have been a small revolt - perhaps a few hundred killed - before the rebellion was quelled.
Though... “starting the civil war...” I guess it is a question of semantics.
We seem to be on the same page.
Cheers.
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posted on
10/28/2019 12:31:45 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
(FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
To: Chad_the_Impaler; MrEdd
My opinion — McCain and Obama aided and abetted the Syrian civil war and almost made the USA side with the jihadis.
Thanks to Trump that was stopped.
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posted on
10/28/2019 4:49:14 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
To: Eurotwit
Pretending that you can work with Islam is foolish and foolhardy.
Islam is a cult of death that must be exterminated.
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posted on
10/28/2019 8:14:05 AM PDT
by
airborne
(I don't always scream at the TV but when I do it's hockey season!)
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