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Horrifying new details emerge from dive boat crewmen...
Daily Mail UK ^ | 09/05/2019 | Lauren Fruen

Posted on 09/06/2019 10:26:54 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: accident; boat; conception; diving; divingboat; fire; maritime; santacruzisland; tragedy; uscg
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1 posted on 09/06/2019 10:26:54 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: atc23

ping...


2 posted on 09/06/2019 10:27:57 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

The U.S. media has already bored of this story, and moved on, since there were no “assault weapons” involved.


3 posted on 09/06/2019 10:28:34 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Who was standing watch?


4 posted on 09/06/2019 10:29:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I am betting on murder suicide arson.


5 posted on 09/06/2019 10:31:10 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Cheryl Babineau, owner of Pro Scuba Dive Center in Scotts Valley, California, and a certified diver for 45 years, said what happened aboard the Conception has shaken the industry. She said boat passengers sometimes tune out when the captain and crew members review safety instructions for a dive trip. She expects that will change.

'I think now people will pay a lot more attention,' she said.

6 posted on 09/06/2019 10:32:53 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: ClearCase_guy

One of the crew was.


7 posted on 09/06/2019 10:33:47 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Captain reportedly made two mayday calls and ‘was the last to leave the boat’

Horseclinton on the second part, the first should be easy to confirm.

Interesting that they’ve been unable to recover and identify just ONE person.


8 posted on 09/06/2019 10:34:38 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: Zhang Fei

Smoking grass or mainlining, and fire started, accelerants in the vicinity caught fire.


9 posted on 09/06/2019 10:35:00 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: ClearCase_guy; atc23
Who was standing watch?

Good question.

Another poster wrote on another thread that it was standard practice when anchored to have an anchor watch through the night to make sure the boat didn't slip the anchor and drift into shore.

This article makes no mention of an anchor watch.

10 posted on 09/06/2019 10:35:31 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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I’d accept that he was the last ALIVE to leave the boat.


11 posted on 09/06/2019 10:35:47 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Many news reports have the captain telling the coat guard that “they were locked in”. the coast guard tells the captain to “go back and unlock it so they can get out.

Why has this disappeared?

is the captain supposed to lock his guests inside the cabin at night?


12 posted on 09/06/2019 10:39:23 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I Love Bull Markets!)
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To: Zhang Fei
I am betting on murder suicide arson.

Could be. I'm betting that one of the lithium batteries ignited while on the charger overnight.

I posted this on another thread, but it bears repeating here. (See: Once the fire started, it was too late for many on board the Conception)


When a LIPO goes up, it happens very quickly and without warning. It's a very hot burning, hard to extinguish fire that puts out dense clouds of toxic white smoke. It's possible that, even with a watch occurring on schedule, the fire could start and quickly get out of control. I'm talking seconds here, not minutes. So, even if the E exit weren't blocked, the odds of the passengers finding their way out would be almost impossible, especially with panic setting in.

Here's the real danger in a situation like that. As I wrote, consumer-grade LIPOs have the protection circuit. The packs w/o the circuit are considered hobby-grade. You can charge hobby-grade LIPOs without the circuit, but it requires the use of a smart charger. This could be in the form of a human being, as was the case in the early days of R/C model LIPO usage. (circa-2000) Or, you can use a smart charger that monitors all the cell voltages and adjusts input to each cell accordingly. There are no consumer-grade smart chargers.

Since consumer-grade LIPOs have the protection circuit, the charger can be a dumb charger that simply uses a pre-determined schedule to charge the batteries. This is what all modern consumer-grade electronic devices use.

Here's the catch. If you use a hobby-grade LIPO with a modern dumb charger, it almost guarantees that, at some point, you'll have a LIPO conflagration due to cell imbalance. Here's the double catch. There is no way to visually distinguish a good LIPO that has the circuit from the cheap chicom knock-off w/o the circuit.

13 posted on 09/06/2019 10:41:10 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Interesting that the crew escaped, the passengers did not.


14 posted on 09/06/2019 10:41:12 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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If I couldn’t sleep on shore and join the boat in the morning, I would want to bring my own tent and bedding and sleep up on deck.


15 posted on 09/06/2019 10:42:58 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: ClearCase_guy
Who was standing watch?

The guy paid to plant the bomb.

16 posted on 09/06/2019 10:43:02 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

here are quotes:

The captain apparently reports a fire and provides a location. The dispatcher is heard saying, “And there’s 33 people on board the vessel that’s on fire, they can’t get off? ... Roger, are they locked inside the boat? ... Roger, can you get back on board and unlock the boat, unlock the door so they can get off? ... Roger, you don’t have any firefighting gear at all? No fire extinguishers or anything?”


17 posted on 09/06/2019 10:44:27 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I Love Bull Markets!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

According to Fox News, nobody was.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/preliminary-investigation-into-deadly-california-boat-fire-raises-concerns-over-safety-deficiencies-report


18 posted on 09/06/2019 10:44:39 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (MAGA!!!)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Bet there are new regulations requiring all these boats to have a second set of stairs away from the galley. Actually, the industry has been lucky this hasn’t happened before.

“one of the searing questions” Not funny to make puns, author Lauren.


19 posted on 09/06/2019 10:45:04 AM PDT by bgill
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That this kind of catastrophic accident hasn't happened before is a testament to the precautions these tour groups have taken to secure the safety of their boats and passengers.

However, in my humble opinion, these boats should be built (or modified) with two exits, aft and stern.

If it cuts down on the number of passengers, increase rates to compensate.

The emergency escape hatch as currently designed is inadequate even under ideal conditions.

20 posted on 09/06/2019 10:46:46 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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