Posted on 08/07/2019 10:09:09 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
eace with Iran is the mother of all peace and war with Iran is the mother of all wars, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani declared on Iranian TV on Tuesday, according to Reuters.
He said that if the United States wants to have negotiations with Iran then it must lift all sanctions.
On Monday, Iran threatened to take further steps to reduce compliance with the 2015 deal in about a months time if Europe still failed to protect Iran from US sanctions.
“With the continuation of the inaction of the Europeans in carrying out their commitments (to the nuclear deal) ... Iran will take a third step (in reducing commitments) in approximately one month,” said Behrouz Kamalvandi, spokesman for the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, according to Reuters.
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif on Monday mocked the US sanctions regime against Iran, including the recent decision to impose sanctions against him personally, saying the US – not Iran – had been left isolated, claiming America is “standing alone” against Tehran.
“The US is standing alone in the world. It cannot create a coalition (in the Gulf),” said Zarif, according to Reuters.
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Ragheads can’t even invent new phrases.
And Iran will lose.
I would say one to 2 days, before Iran has been eliminated as an effective military force
“How many Mothers does War have...?”
Dunno. 57? How many Islamist nations are there?
Yeah, two days because the lawyers following our military have to write up stuff.
This from a country that fought for seven years against Iraq that ended in a standoff. Remember that we defeated Iraq in two weeks. How do you think a war with Iran would go?
Not the mother of all wars, for sure not. But they would be fighting in defense of a mountainous region, and the US would be coming in from a narrow waterway below those mountains, and in defense of their home turf. So the land war could be messy, the occupation a complete cluster f@#$, just like it was in Iraq.
Far better to provide equipment, training and intelligence to Ahwazis, Kurds and Balluchis, and let them fight for their freedom while angry Iranians take to the streets against the Mullahs. US and British (?) naval forces need only enforce a blockade while all the fun and games are going on, and lend a few Green Berets and Seals to help with the training and organizing.
If we fought as Bush would have fought it, well yeh, we would win but at what cost in time and blood. If we fought it the way I see how Trump may fight it, if he has to, and with the kind of technology we CAN use, well....that’s what I meant...as to other “concerns” I don’t agree with the premise that it would be an end to his presidency or re-election
If not for the benighted Iranian people the mullahs would have been NUKED long ago.
The USA by itself would win a war with Iran in days. Less time than defeating Iraq in 1991.
Iran’s military is outdated and under embargos for decades.
BUT this would be a mistake
1. It will keep the Ayatollahs in power - the population HATE them and the only way they can remain in power is by trying to stir up “the great Satan” story - it barely works anymore, the weekly “la la la la hate Yamerika” hardly gets a crowd in central Tehran even. But a war with outsiders will enable the ayatollahs to stay in power - just as the “Great Patriotic war” bolstered the communists in the USSR
2. Winning the peace will be impossible - Look at Iraq and Afghanistan as examples.
President Trump is right to not get involved in this.
Let the Sauds fight the Iranians on their own (with Paki help of course
I doubt that — they’ve suffered many, many invasions over the millenia and they’ve always regrouped because they have a strong sense of identity - almost like Jews or Armenians.
More so - as I said in my answer above, the local iranians HATE their regime. They don’t know how to get rid of it yet. Going to war will iran will only bolster the regime.
Trump is doing the right thing by starving them out, making the regime desperate — the people on the ground KNOW that it’s the regime’s fault for keeping up the nuclear plans. Trump is smart - he won’t be played
A US war with Iran would be a cakewalk - their military is outdated and after 4 decades of sanction is rusting and falling apart. Winning the peace will be the kicker - look at Iraq.
Aside from that, there is the prospect of an unruly, grueling occupation, as there was in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I do not, however, recommend the Saudis. What’s need is a secessionist movement among the ethnic groups. Ahwazis, once independent, will have most of the oil fields. The Kurds would take away a huge chunk of territory, and the Balluchis would be icing on the cake. America’s role is simply to facilitate this fragmentation of Iran. What would be left could be taken over by forward-thinking, pro-western, educated Iranians, who have been brutally oppressed since 1978. The clergy is discredited and corrupt. It can’t last in the face of a loss of both oil and territory.
I believe nearly 1/2 of Iran’s refined petroleum products are imported.
Take out the import facilities, too, and any major storage facilities.
The country will grind to a halt...
That didn’t work out well for the last guy who said that.
Ahwazis were never independent. unless you mean the Elamites pre-600 BC.
Kurds are an Irani people and the Baluchi separatist movement in Iran is nearly nonexistent.
Baluchis, Kurds etc are Iranian people - they speak Iranic languages and share Iranic genes and culture. Iran being a mix of different peoples has no fear for them.
“Ahwazis were never independent. “
It’s about time they were. Khuzestan is directly across the Shat el Arab waterway from Kuwait, and most of the Iranian oil fields are in their province, not that they get anything from that fact, other than pollution and oppression. They are linguistically Arabs, and their language and culture is suppressed. Disaffected Ahwaz youths are increasingly converting to Sunni Islam, and being jailed and persecuted on any pretext as a result.
Kurds in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran are far from celebrating their linguistic and genetic kinship with Iran or Turkey. They yearn for a “greater Kurdistan” and an end to their universal suppression.
Baluchis, with a bit of prompting would be happy to join the Kurds and Ahwazi in a play for independence, if it had the backing of the United States.
BTW, “Iran” was re-named “Iran” at the urging of none other than old Adolf himself, to demonstrate a kinship with “Aryans,” a mythical ethnic group that supposedly encompassed all Germans. They are Persians, and Farsi is the language spoken, not “Iranic”
Which brings us to the bottom line. Iran is right now dancing on the edge of the sword with the UK, seizing ships. If England is drawn into a naval confrontation with Iran, it could bloody well escalate to land and air, and suck the United States and NATO into the bargain. That’s lose-lose for all concerned.
The alternative is to foment civil war within Iran, and the secession of the Ahwazis would mean the end of Iran as a major oil producer, and Khuzestan province could constitute a choke hold on the Shat el Arab waterway in concert with Kuwait, thus ending Iran’s threat to the region.
So which would you prefer? A drawn-out and widening war with Iran, or even worse, a prolonged occupation of Iran, or a free and independent Khuzestan and Kurdistan, and maybe even Baluchistan, and an end to the Ayatollahs’ oppressive hegemony over Persia.
The latter proposition could also go sideways in all sorts of ways, and it being the Middle-East such things tend to happen. But the former is a definite no-win situation, spelling disaster for the US, UK and NATO, and an unhealthy opportunity for Russian and Chinese intrigues.
I’m for Khuzestan and Kurdistan. It’s the path less traveled, with the most promise.
Khuzestan is majority Arab Ahwazis, but
1. There are significant non-Arab folks like the Luz, Kurds etc - those are Iranic groups
2. They are mostly Shia
They do get something - agreed, not a lot, but more than the Shia Arabs under Saddam. Their language and culture isn’t really oppressed if they can study and learn in their native language, is there?
Do you have any proofs for “Ahwaz youths are increasingly converting to sunni Islam” - that would be possible but considering that most youths in Iran are turning against Islam completely, it would be interesting to read the evidence for your statement
That's false - Persia is the exonym for Fars province of Iran, based on the Greek's using the name of the province of Fars and extrapolating it to the whole country.
iran has always called itself "iran" as visible in the Rustam relief dating to the 3rd century BC
What you posted is Fake news
The Iranians and north indians have always called themselves Aryans - and in reality they and only they are "Aryans" -- Germans aren't Aryans, only the Indo-Irani speakers are.
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