Posted on 06/30/2018 2:10:03 AM PDT by vannrox
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The division in America has become so dramatic over the past year that many people can only foresee it heading one place: Civil War.
There’s a pronounced uptick in violence and protests (often going hand in hand.) Free speech is being crushed by the opposition with the mere threat of violent responses. Statues and memorials are being vandalized or defended. Protesters show up armed and armored, ready for battle. The media throws gasoline on these flames with reports solely laying the blame on one side. Some groups are openly planning sedition and no one is trying to stop them.
Our country has reached a point of such division that it’s hard to imagine how we could once again become united.
The United Nations has issued an “early warning” about civil conflict in America. Many people believe these extremist “sides” are made up of professional provocateurs and do not reflect the true feelings of Americans. (Brandon Smith makes an incredibly compelling case for this.) California wants to secede and a lot of folks would be happy to see them go. Some black people want outrageous “reparations” from white people while others call them out for being easily manipulated.
It seems like no one wants peace in America except us average folks, who are happy to get along with our neighbors, regardless of their race, religion, or sexual proclivities. But at the rate things are escalating, our wishes could be irrelevant.
Historian and strategist Gregory Copley wrote:
Yes, there is a civil war looming in the United States.
But it will not look like the orderly pattern of descent which characterized the conflict of 1861-65. It will appear more like the Yugoslavia break-up, or the Russian and Chinese civil wars of the 20th Century.
It will appear as an evolving chaos…
…It is significant that the gathering crisis in the United States was not precipitated by the November 7, 2016, election of Pres. Donald Trump, and neither was the growing polarization of the United Kingdom’s society caused by the Brexit vote of 2016.
In both instances, the election of Mr Trump and the decision by UK voters for Britain to exit the European Union were late reactions — perhaps too late — by the regional populations of both countries to what they perceived as the destruction of their nation-states by “urban super-oligarchies”.
The last-ditch reactions by those who voted in the US for Donald Trump and those who voted in the UK for Brexit were against an urban-based globalism which has been building for some seven decades, with the deliberate or accidental intent of destroying nations and nationalism. It is now crystallizing into this: urban globalism sees nations and nationalism as the enemy, and vice-versa.
The battle lines have been drawn. (source)
And this makes sense if you consider that the majority of Clinton voters were from heavily populated urban areas like Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City. As well, Mr. Copley points out, the urban globalists control the greater part of the media.
Urban globalists control most of the means of communications [is this new “means of production”; the 21st Century marxian dialectic?] and therefore control “information” and the perception of events.
“Nationalists”, then, are operating instinctively, and in darkness. (source)
He’s certainly not wrong.
Oh – and before someone chimes in and starts hysterically talking about “white nationalists” – Mr. Copley isn’t referring to the KKK. He’s referring to people who put national interests ahead of global interests.
It’s interesting to get a perspective from a spectator outside the United States. Russian political commentator Dmitry Kosyrev says that the war has been raging in America for the last few years.
“Democrats are doing wild, suicidal things because they are not just on the defensive, but on the verge of collapse, as the Trump administration breaking down their ‘evil empire’… Their goal is not the destruction of Russia, but the salvation of their own project,” Kosyrev pointed out, referring to the ongoing scandal over alleged “Russian interference” in the US 2016 presidential election.
“Democrats do not have a majority in Congress or their own army, but the war they have been waging is a hybrid one,” the commentator wrote.
“Therefore, in the media zone, they are advancing with a wild, schizophrenic rage. However, they haven’t yet fully monopolized this sphere,” Kosyrev noted, adding that their outrage against the very existence of the Russian English-language TV channel Russia Today is also a “military phenomenon.”
“The essence of what is happening is that the Republicans are now advancing,” he explained, “It simply happens in dozens of small, internal episodes.”
“As one could see, the Democrats have a lot to lose in this war,” the commentator said, adding that the ongoing civil war still has no end in sight. (source)
Unsettling when viewed from a distance, right?
I asked you, the readers, for your opinions on what a Civil War would look like if it erupted in American.
With the incendiary situation going on across the country, there’s been a great deal of talk about the potential of civil war erupting in America.
IF such a terrible thing would occur, how do you think it would happen? How do you believe we’d all be affected? What would you foresee?
This is all speculation, of course, but share your thoughts in the comments below.
Of course, this is all speculative, but there are some pretty interesting answers. Here’s what you all had to say:
1.) Laura…
…the cities would be hit hard, outlying areas will become balkanized…and as far as ‘it’ happening, it started with ‘the resistance’…just hasn’t gone hot yet. And PS it won’t be a civil war, when it goes hot it will be along the lines of race and economics, nothing like the Civil War which was a federal vs state issue (control).
Note: Balkanization is defined as the “fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or uncooperative with one another.” (source)
2.) Jeriann…
I see it starting in the streets of the South. Then the National Guard gets sent in, then local militias build to fight the National Guard. Civil unrest runs amuck. People flee the Southern states, going north and west. Seeds of hate growing in their hearts against the government for allowing this to happen. Groups are gathering in homes to discuss the next step. Hoarding of food and gas begins. Desperation sets in. Peopllosese faith in government both local, state, and federal. The reality sets in we are vulnerable to Russia, China, Isis, fear and despair over take the people. They cry out in the streets, camps are set up for our protection and to provide for us.
3.) Chris…
I wonder what it would be fought over….where would the lines be drawn? Racial? Political? Economics? Who will be fighting who? I think flat-out every man for himself anarchy is a more likely scenario than what we would consider a civil war.
4.) Koi…
This is what the government wants to happen so they can have Martial law, and throw the Constitution in the trash.
5.) Ryan…
It’ll be based on race, the easiest distinguisher for low information people with anger and a desire to fight. I’m not sure how white people on the left would distinguish themselves as allies though, they’ll probably get caught up in the carnage. The real question I have is: how long will TPTB allow the bloodshed before they implement the next phase of police state
6.) Andrea…
If it really took off, if you don’t live in a major city, I think the main effect you’d feel is a shortage of goods. Truckloads of deliveries not being able to get safely to certain destinations would eventually just stop coming.
7.) Tony…
If this did go down I think it will be short lived. The government would turn off the communication systems and money supply to the country. The stock market will crash and the one-percenters will load up on shares and make billions once order is restored and the market rebounds.
8.) Lyle…
A civil war totally manufactured by the media.
9.) Joshua…
There is nothing left to hold civil society together. No shared values. No shared history. No shared worldview. In many places, not even a shared language. What we see now is the Balkanization of America. In essence, we as a people have already seceded from each other.
10.) Marvin…
Here are the options
1. Nothing’s gonna happen, well, except ALL statues will be removed, confederate, union, MLK, presidents, baseball players, even poor ole Elvis.
2. A lot more protests and more deaths.
3. North Korea drops an EMP and we thin the herd.
11.) Sherri…
In a way I think it’s already been going on for sometime. Internet trolling, hackers, some laws aren’t really enforced.
12.) Brian…
The UN will get called in. One World Order implementation.
13.) Liz…
I think a financial crisis of sorts , most likely causing serious uproar. An outside source of the United States coming in to try to look like helpers , I think they get a lot of people to follow them then off more than half, I think they want the very young. Madness, looting, complete anarchy until people begin to fight back.
14.) Scott…
It’s not just America, the civil divide is being pushed toward civil war in Europe and UK too!
The economic crash will be global as will the response…
this is the endgame that has been coming a long time.
Expect microchipping of the population through FEMA camps for starving and preppers being shot for hoarding food.
Make sure your food is not all in one place, have multiple caches so if one or two are discovered it doesn’t leave you with all the others queuing up for a loaf of bread and swiping your new microchip.
15.) Tim…
…Someone in our government will get the idea, if they haven’t already, that the best way to bring us back together as a nation is to give us a common enemy. Then with the help of the Media, they will demonize this enemy to the point where we as Americans can no longer just sit idly by. All the sudden, all the other issues disappear and the US government is back in control of the hearts and minds of its people.
16.) Pat…
I think the polarization is so extreme and so deep-seated that the very best thing for the majority of people would be for the USA to split into 3 or 4 separate countries. I don’t think we will have peace until this happens (if it ever happens). The alternative is likely to be extreme control by the government to a degree that none of us ever want to see or experience.
17.) Ivar…
What will begin as a somewhat ideological war (Antifa versus the Alt-Right) will sooner or later devolve into an outright race war. At that time, Antifa will cease to exist (split up in ethnic gangs). The Whites in Antifa will be on their own, and not last very long… The Alt-Right will continue to exist, although it might adopt a different name.
Since Whites own most of the land and ammunition, and are better trained and prepped, they will most likely win this race war.
I do not think it is likely that the race war will end soon. I’m afraid it will continue until America is all-White. Once faced with an existential threat, people can do crazy things to make sure it can never ever happen again.
This could have as a consequence that not only North America becomes all-White, but South America too.
A similar process will happen in Europe. It is quite likely that the Europeans will not only drive Islam from their continent, but remove it from the globe completely and repopulate the entire Middle-East.
These Antifa provocateurs and Islamic terrorists are taking a terrible gamble. Their tactics either succeed (and the entire world turns Communist or Islamic), or it will be the eradication of all the people they represent.
18. Renny…
I foresee a lot of guerrilla-type warfare. If Martial Law was instituted, I could easily imagine the Antifa types committing acts of vandalism, bombing things, holding up supply trucks. Sneak attacks with huge shocking impacts, like attacking children at a school or something. It would become dangerous for people to be in certain areas based on their race.
This could result in extreme violence against innocent non-combatants. Schools would shut down, public gathering areas like malls and markets could be targeted. Businesses would be unable to continue due to repeated vandalism. This would, in turn, affect the supply chain, which would increase theft as desperate hungry people did what they had to so they could feed their families.
19. Kendall…
This will be a race war, flames fanned by the likes of George Soros in order to destabilize the country. It’s a Marxist agenda that separates black vs. white and causes problems where there were none before. Paid protesters, activist groups funded by billionaires, and the crushing of free speech through violent protests will all boil over into more division.
Confusion will occur because this won’t be a clear-cut, North vs. South issue. The “enemy” would be hard to identify and easy to be mistaken for. How can you tell if someone is right-leaning or left-leaning?
United we stand…divided, billionaires make lots of money off our pain. Just like every other war, it all boils down to money and control.
20.) A…
I think we’re already seeing civil war, courtesy of Bush, Obama, Trump and now people who want to further ‘fundamentally change America’. The ‘war’ is between those who think the American dream is so-called equality for all, free stuff like healthcare, maternity leave and cell phones (coz that’s what our Founding Fathers intended – NOT!) and those of us who want to retain Her glory, where Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is all that matters. We won’t see the death toll of the 1860’s, but we’ll see even more hatred, fear and division, combined with occasional attacks like Charlottesville. A nation divided cannot stand and sooner or later, whether
We won’t see the death toll of the 1860’s, but we’ll see even more hatred, fear and division, combined with occasional attacks like Charlottesville. A nation divided cannot stand and sooner or later, whether it’s a natural disaster, an external attack, financial crippling or just plain consequences of our action, there will be chaos, with FEAR being the biggest killer!
People keep talking about this one event…
I think it’ll be more of a slow and painful process, with serious consequences for our children’s children worldwide! The Beacon on the Hill WILL go out, and the world will be plunged into darkness
Some ugly and terrifying pictures painted there…
Thank you, Readers, as always, for your insight and participation.
Just like any other disaster, unless you are right in the midst of the conflict, your primary concerns would be supply shortages and self-defense.
Prepping for a long-term supply shortage is the number one thing you should do in order to be ready for this.
You also have to be prepared to defend yourself, your family, and your home.
It would be wise to be discreet about your supplies, as shortages and hunger will cause otherwise decent people to commit acts they would have otherwise never considered.
In the comments section, let me know what you think about the looming prospect of civil war. Tell me…
Alternatively, you may think we are in no danger of Civil War 2.0 actually occurring. Explain your reasoning.
And please, be courteous. Civil War 2.0 shall not erupt in my comments section. Thanks. 🙂
Count on the “youth” to choose poorly.
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There is a rich literature of the USA breaking into Red and Blue partitions. People on this thread might enjoy some of these speculative fictional books:
People's Republic Series
SYNOPOSIS: The USA becomes ungovernable following the elecition of Hillary and a split is negotiated after relatively little fighting. The novels are set in the post-split states. Two books so far.
Enemies Foreign and Domestic series
SYNPOSIS: Written by long-time Freeper Matt Bracken this series jumps through time. The first volume recounts some of the events leading up to the split, the second two are set in post-split USA. The series is a cult classic among 'freedomistas', and has earned Bracken a reputation as a prophet, as many of the events foretold in the series have come to pass. Three books in series.
Unintended Consequences
SYNOPSIS: The grand-daddy of all freedomista dystopian novels about the split up of the USA, the book is a tour d'force that covers a lot of ground, with all sorts of details about guns, ammo, airplanes and other interesting topics. Another cult classic. Single volume.
Molon Labe
SYNOPSIS: Wyoming becomes the center for an American freedom movement, and eventually manages to pull off a split from America. The author Boston T. Party has written a number of other books including Boston T. Party's Gun Bible
Patriots by John Wesley Rowles
SYNOPSIS: Economic Collapse creates social collapse. One community of patriots survivalists have to deal with hordes of looters and gangs. Somewhat of a "how to" guide for survivalists as a novel. Influential in the "prepper" community.
Nice try, but Dallas!!? Hell no! Dallas and Fort Worth are lib territory, just like most every other big city.
Perhaps these big cities will break into zones like Baghdad did after the start of the Iraqi war.
Bhaghdad had "Sadr City" controlled by a Shia militia loyal to a particular religious leader. There was the "Green Zone" controlled by the Americans, essentially a heavily fortified base in the center of the city with controlled access. There were Sunni Zones, there were more or less open neighborhoods.
The "Battle of Houston" could end up like Stalingrad, with two armies battling in the ruins for years for a completely Pyrrhic victory.
We can all have ideas, but in the immortal words of Mike Tyson: everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth
Cheers!
It's guerilla.
I hated Tyson, and then I learned to like the guy (just like Ali). He is correct on what he said, for the most part. Thx.:-)
It's guerilla.
First Marshall Law, then Gorilla Warfare, it happens every time!
It's guerilla.
I knew that. Spell check is so wonderful
I don't think anyone can say that with any assurance
Look to the middle east for lessons on urban guerrilla warfare.
How effective are the Muslims against Israel? The Palestinians have support, they have supplies, they have people willing to die for their cause, yet after 70 years they have nothing to show for all the deaths.
But you've cherry picked only one of the 10 or so Civil Wars going on in the Middle East.
Israel is a pretty unique place: a de-jure ethnostate with a highly motivated first-world and high-tech citizen military supported by the worlds top superpower VS. largely impoverished and corralled opposition.
Consider a few other Civil Wars ongoing in the Middle East and it's not so clear that they always fail:
Paid rioters catching random individuals or facing police under orders not to react with too much force is not a civil war. It is riots.
Sure, no thoughtful person would claim it is. So there is little risk of 'antifa' riots escalating into a civil war, I agree.
Vicious inter-tribal sectarian conflict is real, in fact it's the norm in the world. In places where the most common tools are farm implements like machetes they are fought with them. In America guns are far more prevalent then machetes, so if the will to fight is there, it will look a lot like a typical un-conventional war.
Our nation has seen riots before and will see them again.
Again true. But we've also seen Civil War before. And taking a expansive view the War Between the States wasn't the only one. The Mexican-American war, the Indian Wars, the war of 1812 - all had strong elements of Civil War in them.
I suspect most of the demonstrators in these leftist riots are just young people enjoying themselves destroying property. If they thought there was a possibility of them dying during the riots they would not participate.
Right. If you look at the list of books that speculate about a future CWII scenario none of them begin with Toy Leftists as the progenitors of the war.
If you want to believe that the United States of 2018 is similar to all the other conflicts and if you believe that there is a possibility that there will be an armed insurrection.... then okay. Believe what you want.
Time will eventually reveal which view is correct.
I agree wholeheartedly with you! A bunch of alarmist garbage here. Lunatics on both sides for sure, unable to process information intellectually, grabbing on to the latest and greatest hysterical nonsense out there.
where they are.
BFL. Thanks, TIK.
Though I’m a bit younger than you our lives were quite similar.
We had electric lighting but didn’t get indoor water until I was 6.
I was 11 when we moved the Johnny house inside.
Other than that we grew everything we ate.
Fruit from the apple, peach, pear, mulberry and cherry trees.
Nuts from the abundant black walnut and pecan trees.
Beef, pork and poultry raised on the farm.
We cured our own hams and pork bellies.
Beef was brined or canned.
Vegetables of every kind from our garden either dried or canned and stacked away in the pantry.
The cellar overflowed with potatoes and other root vegetables.
We made cornbread from the corn raised on the farm.
Our everyday work clothes were patched until there was more patches than original material.
One pair of shoes each year for us growing kids and woe be unto any child who wore their Sunday shoes to play. During the summer we went barefoot to save our shoes.
You know you’re country when you can remember the feel of cow manure squishing between your toes.
Mama and Granny cooked on a wood stove.
Each room had it’s own wood stove for winter. The wood was plentiful and free requiring only the work to cut down the tree, transport the wood to the house, section it, split it and stack it.
A hard life but well worth it.
Everyone was happier or at least too tired to be angry.
People who don’t garden would be amazed at the amount of food that can be raised on a small patch of ground.
I love when Freepers put time into making a really nice post like yours, with links. Thanks!
Hi.
“This Jeriann clown is a real idiot.”
The “useful” type.
In the fwiw dept, the vast majority of Americans have no idea regarding combat or the horrors of war.
Hopefully we can keep it that way.
5.56mm
It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and as well as the seriousness of what is happening.
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Correct.
Ain't that the truth.
If it fails, then maybe.
You wouldn't have had Nazism in Germany without the Depression or Communism in Russia without WWI.
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I doubt the "Armed South - Unarmed North" view a little.
One of the arguments against gun control is that people who really want to get guns will always get them.
Why is that suddenly not true when it comes to talk of civil violence?
There will be a lot of guns in private hands all over the place if civil war happens.
But the weaponry in the hands of the military will be far more effective.
Or, they’ll get desperate...then anything goes.
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