20 Preppers Speculate What Civil War 2.0 Would Look Like in America

Organic Prepper ^ | August 24, 2017 | Editorial staff

[SgtHooper]

Count on the “youth” to choose poorly.

[Jack Black]

The comments that Freepers have and will put up in response to this article will be much more thoughtful and detailed than the musings of the 20 people the author of the article interviewed.

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There is a rich literature of the USA breaking into Red and Blue partitions. People on this thread might enjoy some of these speculative fictional books:

People's Republic Series

SYNOPOSIS: The USA becomes ungovernable following the elecition of Hillary and a split is negotiated after relatively little fighting. The novels are set in the post-split states. Two books so far.

Enemies Foreign and Domestic series

SYNPOSIS: Written by long-time Freeper Matt Bracken this series jumps through time. The first volume recounts some of the events leading up to the split, the second two are set in post-split USA. The series is a cult classic among 'freedomistas', and has earned Bracken a reputation as a prophet, as many of the events foretold in the series have come to pass. Three books in series.

Unintended Consequences

SYNOPSIS: The grand-daddy of all freedomista dystopian novels about the split up of the USA, the book is a tour d'force that covers a lot of ground, with all sorts of details about guns, ammo, airplanes and other interesting topics. Another cult classic. Single volume.

Molon Labe

SYNOPSIS: Wyoming becomes the center for an American freedom movement, and eventually manages to pull off a split from America. The author Boston T. Party has written a number of other books including Boston T. Party's Gun Bible

Patriots by John Wesley Rowles

SYNOPSIS: Economic Collapse creates social collapse. One community of patriots survivalists have to deal with hordes of looters and gangs. Somewhat of a "how to" guide for survivalists as a novel. Influential in the "prepper" community.

[SgtHooper]

Nice try, but Dallas!!? Hell no! Dallas and Fort Worth are lib territory, just like most every other big city.

[Jack Black]

Nice try, but Dallas!!? Hell no! Dallas and Fort Worth are lib territory, just like most every other big city.

Perhaps these big cities will break into zones like Baghdad did after the start of the Iraqi war.

Bhaghdad had "Sadr City" controlled by a Shia militia loyal to a particular religious leader. There was the "Green Zone" controlled by the Americans, essentially a heavily fortified base in the center of the city with controlled access. There were Sunni Zones, there were more or less open neighborhoods.

The "Battle of Houston" could end up like Stalingrad, with two armies battling in the ruins for years for a completely Pyrrhic victory.

We can all have ideas, but in the immortal words of Mike Tyson: everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth

Cheers!

[Windflier]

gorilla warfare.

It's guerilla.

[SgtHooper]

I hated Tyson, and then I learned to like the guy (just like Ali). He is correct on what he said, for the most part. Thx.:-)

[Jack Black]

gorilla warfare.

It's guerilla.

First Marshall Law, then Gorilla Warfare, it happens every time!

[mountainlion]

gorilla warfare.

It's guerilla.

I knew that. Spell check is so wonderful

[Jack Black]

No, there is not going to be a Civil War II.

I don't think anyone can say that with any assurance

Look to the middle east for lessons on urban guerrilla warfare.

How effective are the Muslims against Israel? The Palestinians have support, they have supplies, they have people willing to die for their cause, yet after 70 years they have nothing to show for all the deaths.

But you've cherry picked only one of the 10 or so Civil Wars going on in the Middle East.

Israel is a pretty unique place: a de-jure ethnostate with a highly motivated first-world and high-tech citizen military supported by the worlds top superpower VS. largely impoverished and corralled opposition.

Consider a few other Civil Wars ongoing in the Middle East and it's not so clear that they always fail:

• Assad vs. Resistance
• ISIS vs. everyone
• Gaddafi vs. antis Yemeni Civil War
• Kurds vs. Turkey, Shia and Sunnis

  Paid rioters catching random individuals or facing police under orders not to react with too much force is not a civil war. It is riots.

  Sure, no thoughtful person would claim it is. So there is little risk of 'antifa' riots escalating into a civil war, I agree.

  Vicious inter-tribal sectarian conflict is real, in fact it's the norm in the world. In places where the most common tools are farm implements like machetes they are fought with them. In America guns are far more prevalent then machetes, so if the will to fight is there, it will look a lot like a typical un-conventional war.

  Our nation has seen riots before and will see them again.

  Again true. But we've also seen Civil War before. And taking a expansive view the War Between the States wasn't the only one. The Mexican-American war, the Indian Wars, the war of 1812 - all had strong elements of Civil War in them.

  I suspect most of the demonstrators in these leftist riots are just young people enjoying themselves destroying property. If they thought there was a possibility of them dying during the riots they would not participate.

  Right. If you look at the list of books that speculate about a future CWII scenario none of them begin with Toy Leftists as the progenitors of the war.

[CIB-173RDABN]

If you want to believe that the United States of 2018 is similar to all the other conflicts and if you believe that there is a possibility that there will be an armed insurrection.... then okay. Believe what you want.

Time will eventually reveal which view is correct.

[TheGunny]

I agree wholeheartedly with you! A bunch of alarmist garbage here. Lunatics on both sides for sure, unable to process information intellectually, grabbing on to the latest and greatest hysterical nonsense out there.

[PeteePie]

I just want to know one thing,

where they are.

[trisham]

BFL. Thanks, TIK.

[oldvirginian]

Though I’m a bit younger than you our lives were quite similar.

We had electric lighting but didn’t get indoor water until I was 6.
I was 11 when we moved the Johnny house inside.

Other than that we grew everything we ate.
Fruit from the apple, peach, pear, mulberry and cherry trees.
Nuts from the abundant black walnut and pecan trees.

Beef, pork and poultry raised on the farm.
We cured our own hams and pork bellies.
Beef was brined or canned.

Vegetables of every kind from our garden either dried or canned and stacked away in the pantry.
The cellar overflowed with potatoes and other root vegetables.
We made cornbread from the corn raised on the farm.

Our everyday work clothes were patched until there was more patches than original material.
One pair of shoes each year for us growing kids and woe be unto any child who wore their Sunday shoes to play. During the summer we went barefoot to save our shoes.
You know you’re country when you can remember the feel of cow manure squishing between your toes.

Mama and Granny cooked on a wood stove.
Each room had it’s own wood stove for winter. The wood was plentiful and free requiring only the work to cut down the tree, transport the wood to the house, section it, split it and stack it.

A hard life but well worth it.
Everyone was happier or at least too tired to be angry.

People who don’t garden would be amazed at the amount of food that can be raised on a small patch of ground.

[Jack Black]

I love when Freepers put time into making a really nice post like yours, with links. Thanks!

[M Kehoe]

Hi.

“This Jeriann clown is a real idiot.”

The “useful” type.

In the fwiw dept, the vast majority of Americans have no idea regarding combat or the horrors of war.

Hopefully we can keep it that way.

5.56mm

[trisham]

The fact is we Americans have been living the good life for several generation now and that has made us susceptible to a condition called Normalcy Bias. This can get you killed is is something you must seriously guard against. Normalcy Bias cause people to not accept that a breakdown is occurring even as they watch it happening before their eyes.

It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and as well as the seriousness of what is happening.

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Correct.

[Windflier]

Spell check is so wonderful

Ain't that the truth.

[x]

There will be no civil war so long as the economy works.

If it fails, then maybe.

You wouldn't have had Nazism in Germany without the Depression or Communism in Russia without WWI.

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I doubt the "Armed South - Unarmed North" view a little.

One of the arguments against gun control is that people who really want to get guns will always get them.

Why is that suddenly not true when it comes to talk of civil violence?

There will be a lot of guns in private hands all over the place if civil war happens.

But the weaponry in the hands of the military will be far more effective.

[gogeo]

Or, they’ll get desperate...then anything goes.