Posted on 06/30/2018 2:10:03 AM PDT by vannrox
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The division in America has become so dramatic over the past year that many people can only foresee it heading one place: Civil War.
There’s a pronounced uptick in violence and protests (often going hand in hand.) Free speech is being crushed by the opposition with the mere threat of violent responses. Statues and memorials are being vandalized or defended. Protesters show up armed and armored, ready for battle. The media throws gasoline on these flames with reports solely laying the blame on one side. Some groups are openly planning sedition and no one is trying to stop them.
Our country has reached a point of such division that it’s hard to imagine how we could once again become united.
The United Nations has issued an “early warning” about civil conflict in America. Many people believe these extremist “sides” are made up of professional provocateurs and do not reflect the true feelings of Americans. (Brandon Smith makes an incredibly compelling case for this.) California wants to secede and a lot of folks would be happy to see them go. Some black people want outrageous “reparations” from white people while others call them out for being easily manipulated.
It seems like no one wants peace in America except us average folks, who are happy to get along with our neighbors, regardless of their race, religion, or sexual proclivities. But at the rate things are escalating, our wishes could be irrelevant.
Historian and strategist Gregory Copley wrote:
Yes, there is a civil war looming in the United States.
But it will not look like the orderly pattern of descent which characterized the conflict of 1861-65. It will appear more like the Yugoslavia break-up, or the Russian and Chinese civil wars of the 20th Century.
It will appear as an evolving chaos…
…It is significant that the gathering crisis in the United States was not precipitated by the November 7, 2016, election of Pres. Donald Trump, and neither was the growing polarization of the United Kingdom’s society caused by the Brexit vote of 2016.
In both instances, the election of Mr Trump and the decision by UK voters for Britain to exit the European Union were late reactions — perhaps too late — by the regional populations of both countries to what they perceived as the destruction of their nation-states by “urban super-oligarchies”.
The last-ditch reactions by those who voted in the US for Donald Trump and those who voted in the UK for Brexit were against an urban-based globalism which has been building for some seven decades, with the deliberate or accidental intent of destroying nations and nationalism. It is now crystallizing into this: urban globalism sees nations and nationalism as the enemy, and vice-versa.
The battle lines have been drawn. (source)
And this makes sense if you consider that the majority of Clinton voters were from heavily populated urban areas like Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City. As well, Mr. Copley points out, the urban globalists control the greater part of the media.
Urban globalists control most of the means of communications [is this new “means of production”; the 21st Century marxian dialectic?] and therefore control “information” and the perception of events.
“Nationalists”, then, are operating instinctively, and in darkness. (source)
He’s certainly not wrong.
Oh – and before someone chimes in and starts hysterically talking about “white nationalists” – Mr. Copley isn’t referring to the KKK. He’s referring to people who put national interests ahead of global interests.
It’s interesting to get a perspective from a spectator outside the United States. Russian political commentator Dmitry Kosyrev says that the war has been raging in America for the last few years.
“Democrats are doing wild, suicidal things because they are not just on the defensive, but on the verge of collapse, as the Trump administration breaking down their ‘evil empire’… Their goal is not the destruction of Russia, but the salvation of their own project,” Kosyrev pointed out, referring to the ongoing scandal over alleged “Russian interference” in the US 2016 presidential election.
“Democrats do not have a majority in Congress or their own army, but the war they have been waging is a hybrid one,” the commentator wrote.
“Therefore, in the media zone, they are advancing with a wild, schizophrenic rage. However, they haven’t yet fully monopolized this sphere,” Kosyrev noted, adding that their outrage against the very existence of the Russian English-language TV channel Russia Today is also a “military phenomenon.”
“The essence of what is happening is that the Republicans are now advancing,” he explained, “It simply happens in dozens of small, internal episodes.”
“As one could see, the Democrats have a lot to lose in this war,” the commentator said, adding that the ongoing civil war still has no end in sight. (source)
Unsettling when viewed from a distance, right?
I asked you, the readers, for your opinions on what a Civil War would look like if it erupted in American.
With the incendiary situation going on across the country, there’s been a great deal of talk about the potential of civil war erupting in America.
IF such a terrible thing would occur, how do you think it would happen? How do you believe we’d all be affected? What would you foresee?
This is all speculation, of course, but share your thoughts in the comments below.
Of course, this is all speculative, but there are some pretty interesting answers. Here’s what you all had to say:
1.) Laura…
…the cities would be hit hard, outlying areas will become balkanized…and as far as ‘it’ happening, it started with ‘the resistance’…just hasn’t gone hot yet. And PS it won’t be a civil war, when it goes hot it will be along the lines of race and economics, nothing like the Civil War which was a federal vs state issue (control).
Note: Balkanization is defined as the “fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or uncooperative with one another.” (source)
2.) Jeriann…
I see it starting in the streets of the South. Then the National Guard gets sent in, then local militias build to fight the National Guard. Civil unrest runs amuck. People flee the Southern states, going north and west. Seeds of hate growing in their hearts against the government for allowing this to happen. Groups are gathering in homes to discuss the next step. Hoarding of food and gas begins. Desperation sets in. Peopllosese faith in government both local, state, and federal. The reality sets in we are vulnerable to Russia, China, Isis, fear and despair over take the people. They cry out in the streets, camps are set up for our protection and to provide for us.
3.) Chris…
I wonder what it would be fought over….where would the lines be drawn? Racial? Political? Economics? Who will be fighting who? I think flat-out every man for himself anarchy is a more likely scenario than what we would consider a civil war.
4.) Koi…
This is what the government wants to happen so they can have Martial law, and throw the Constitution in the trash.
5.) Ryan…
It’ll be based on race, the easiest distinguisher for low information people with anger and a desire to fight. I’m not sure how white people on the left would distinguish themselves as allies though, they’ll probably get caught up in the carnage. The real question I have is: how long will TPTB allow the bloodshed before they implement the next phase of police state
6.) Andrea…
If it really took off, if you don’t live in a major city, I think the main effect you’d feel is a shortage of goods. Truckloads of deliveries not being able to get safely to certain destinations would eventually just stop coming.
7.) Tony…
If this did go down I think it will be short lived. The government would turn off the communication systems and money supply to the country. The stock market will crash and the one-percenters will load up on shares and make billions once order is restored and the market rebounds.
8.) Lyle…
A civil war totally manufactured by the media.
9.) Joshua…
There is nothing left to hold civil society together. No shared values. No shared history. No shared worldview. In many places, not even a shared language. What we see now is the Balkanization of America. In essence, we as a people have already seceded from each other.
10.) Marvin…
Here are the options
1. Nothing’s gonna happen, well, except ALL statues will be removed, confederate, union, MLK, presidents, baseball players, even poor ole Elvis.
2. A lot more protests and more deaths.
3. North Korea drops an EMP and we thin the herd.
11.) Sherri…
In a way I think it’s already been going on for sometime. Internet trolling, hackers, some laws aren’t really enforced.
12.) Brian…
The UN will get called in. One World Order implementation.
13.) Liz…
I think a financial crisis of sorts , most likely causing serious uproar. An outside source of the United States coming in to try to look like helpers , I think they get a lot of people to follow them then off more than half, I think they want the very young. Madness, looting, complete anarchy until people begin to fight back.
14.) Scott…
It’s not just America, the civil divide is being pushed toward civil war in Europe and UK too!
The economic crash will be global as will the response…
this is the endgame that has been coming a long time.
Expect microchipping of the population through FEMA camps for starving and preppers being shot for hoarding food.
Make sure your food is not all in one place, have multiple caches so if one or two are discovered it doesn’t leave you with all the others queuing up for a loaf of bread and swiping your new microchip.
15.) Tim…
…Someone in our government will get the idea, if they haven’t already, that the best way to bring us back together as a nation is to give us a common enemy. Then with the help of the Media, they will demonize this enemy to the point where we as Americans can no longer just sit idly by. All the sudden, all the other issues disappear and the US government is back in control of the hearts and minds of its people.
16.) Pat…
I think the polarization is so extreme and so deep-seated that the very best thing for the majority of people would be for the USA to split into 3 or 4 separate countries. I don’t think we will have peace until this happens (if it ever happens). The alternative is likely to be extreme control by the government to a degree that none of us ever want to see or experience.
17.) Ivar…
What will begin as a somewhat ideological war (Antifa versus the Alt-Right) will sooner or later devolve into an outright race war. At that time, Antifa will cease to exist (split up in ethnic gangs). The Whites in Antifa will be on their own, and not last very long… The Alt-Right will continue to exist, although it might adopt a different name.
Since Whites own most of the land and ammunition, and are better trained and prepped, they will most likely win this race war.
I do not think it is likely that the race war will end soon. I’m afraid it will continue until America is all-White. Once faced with an existential threat, people can do crazy things to make sure it can never ever happen again.
This could have as a consequence that not only North America becomes all-White, but South America too.
A similar process will happen in Europe. It is quite likely that the Europeans will not only drive Islam from their continent, but remove it from the globe completely and repopulate the entire Middle-East.
These Antifa provocateurs and Islamic terrorists are taking a terrible gamble. Their tactics either succeed (and the entire world turns Communist or Islamic), or it will be the eradication of all the people they represent.
18. Renny…
I foresee a lot of guerrilla-type warfare. If Martial Law was instituted, I could easily imagine the Antifa types committing acts of vandalism, bombing things, holding up supply trucks. Sneak attacks with huge shocking impacts, like attacking children at a school or something. It would become dangerous for people to be in certain areas based on their race.
This could result in extreme violence against innocent non-combatants. Schools would shut down, public gathering areas like malls and markets could be targeted. Businesses would be unable to continue due to repeated vandalism. This would, in turn, affect the supply chain, which would increase theft as desperate hungry people did what they had to so they could feed their families.
19. Kendall…
This will be a race war, flames fanned by the likes of George Soros in order to destabilize the country. It’s a Marxist agenda that separates black vs. white and causes problems where there were none before. Paid protesters, activist groups funded by billionaires, and the crushing of free speech through violent protests will all boil over into more division.
Confusion will occur because this won’t be a clear-cut, North vs. South issue. The “enemy” would be hard to identify and easy to be mistaken for. How can you tell if someone is right-leaning or left-leaning?
United we stand…divided, billionaires make lots of money off our pain. Just like every other war, it all boils down to money and control.
20.) A…
I think we’re already seeing civil war, courtesy of Bush, Obama, Trump and now people who want to further ‘fundamentally change America’. The ‘war’ is between those who think the American dream is so-called equality for all, free stuff like healthcare, maternity leave and cell phones (coz that’s what our Founding Fathers intended – NOT!) and those of us who want to retain Her glory, where Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is all that matters. We won’t see the death toll of the 1860’s, but we’ll see even more hatred, fear and division, combined with occasional attacks like Charlottesville. A nation divided cannot stand and sooner or later, whether
We won’t see the death toll of the 1860’s, but we’ll see even more hatred, fear and division, combined with occasional attacks like Charlottesville. A nation divided cannot stand and sooner or later, whether it’s a natural disaster, an external attack, financial crippling or just plain consequences of our action, there will be chaos, with FEAR being the biggest killer!
People keep talking about this one event…
I think it’ll be more of a slow and painful process, with serious consequences for our children’s children worldwide! The Beacon on the Hill WILL go out, and the world will be plunged into darkness
Some ugly and terrifying pictures painted there…
Thank you, Readers, as always, for your insight and participation.
Just like any other disaster, unless you are right in the midst of the conflict, your primary concerns would be supply shortages and self-defense.
Prepping for a long-term supply shortage is the number one thing you should do in order to be ready for this.
You also have to be prepared to defend yourself, your family, and your home.
It would be wise to be discreet about your supplies, as shortages and hunger will cause otherwise decent people to commit acts they would have otherwise never considered.
In the comments section, let me know what you think about the looming prospect of civil war. Tell me…
Alternatively, you may think we are in no danger of Civil War 2.0 actually occurring. Explain your reasoning.
And please, be courteous. Civil War 2.0 shall not erupt in my comments section. Thanks. 🙂
Interesting thread
As long as there is food in the grocery stores, gas in the pumps, football on TV, and porn on the internet, why bother?
Most people don't care!
Our system of government is largely set up in a fashion that most of us can continue to live our daily lives in the manner of which we are comfortable regardless of what party occupies power in Washington. That's why only half of us even bother to vote.
November will be perhaps the most consequential midterm election in history and I'll bet turnout is under 50% of eligible voters.
What it will look like is like nothing seen in our lifetimes. Blooder eventually than the first go around and as the LEFT is not prepared I look for them to reach out to third world leftest and Jihadist for true fighting men offering citizenship, money and sex.
Though most leftist will have no stomach for face to face fighting, they will have no problems bombing schools Hospitals or anywhere they can get a high body count of innocent. And GOD have mercy on you if you are Patriot and are captured, pray you save a bullet for yourself.
Think Bosnia over all Beirut is another good example of what we can expect, but I think we may get an even better example soon for especially for Blue State areas when Venezuela finally goes up in flames. And that’s how communism dies not with a whimper, but in fire and blood.
It is your choice you can prep you can scramble for leavings.
So listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3
The fact is we Americans have been living the good life for several generation now and that has made us susceptible to a condition called Normalcy Bias. This can get you killed is is something you must seriously guard against. Normalcy Bias cause people to not accept that a breakdown is occurring even as they watch it happening before their eyes.
It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and as well as the seriousness of what is happening.
This condition is common in situations where people have failed to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. (A recent example I give you Nicaragua’s Telica volcano eruption)
Many times people make the assumption that since a disaster has never occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before and deeply believed that never would occur.
People with Normalcy Bias also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer the situation is far less serious than it real is.
A good article on ‘Normalcy Bias’ is on our own ChocChipCookies Blog The Survival Mom: https://thesurvivalmom.com/normalcy-bias/
You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become their ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.
I also posted this advice the other day, but it bears repeating: If you watch this thread you will see that even on FR there are those who hate and scoff at those who would be prepared to take care of their own should a shtf event occur. They like to claim they are not worried,because nothing is going to happen, some even say things like if it happens I just rob the preppers for my needs. When called on their words they claim they are only joking, but in my experience people who try to mask their words by claiming that they are only joking are only trying to cover the slip of the real them that came out in their words.
When push comes to shove you would surprised what people who claim they don’t care will do to cling to life.
One of the most dangerous groups that preppers will have to deal with are the anti-preppers, because they will not only covet what preppers have they will feel the need to punish preppers for having prepared and will feel morally justified in punishing preppers as in their twisted minds they will see the reason that the SHTF event occurred was because they dared prep for it. Their envy and indignation will be like that of leftist have for people who strikes out works hard and makes a good living or even gets well off and not sharing with them. This is a leftist think, but I have seen it’s example as I state above right here on the pages of FR,
Just getting started or an old hand you might find my Preparedness Manual helpful. You can download the manual at: http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf ;
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For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, cash (I myself have been putting up change for the past few years both for the metal content and the fact that using change places to make what purchases you can will move you down the the list of possible marks during shtf), tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.
As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”
Again I like to recommend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom ( https://thesurvivalmom.com/) where you can get lots of useful.
Also Selco’s Blog a Bosinia war survivor ( https://shtfschool.com/blog/) which I believe would come close to what a modern civil war looks like.
Interesting post, and useful.
Are you ready to go from novelist to history writer/recorder?
It’s the other way around...people would flee population centers and super cold environments for the South.
Will war follow? Who knows....
Can’t we just skip 1-7 and go right to 8?
Not going to happen.
If violence begins, it will be treated like a crime.
War, even a guerrilla type war requires an organization, it requires money, it requires supplies (and resupplies), it requires some training, it requires people willing to die for their cause. Sort of what some “preppers” have been doing. But can you imagine the snowflakes that make up the cannon fodder of the left today be willing to make the sacrifices required to be ready to go to war? No! I can not either.
Look to the middle east for lessons on urban guerrilla warfare.
How effective are the Muslims against Israel? The Palestinians have support, they have supplies, they have people willing to die for their cause, yet after 70 years they have nothing to show for all the deaths.
Paid rioters catching random individuals or facing police under orders not to react with too much force is not a civil war. It is riots.
Our nation has seen riots before and will see them again.
I suspect most of the demonstrators in these leftist riots are just young people enjoying themselves destroying property. If they thought there was a possibility of them dying during the riots they would not participate.
No, there is not going to be a Civil War II.
>>This Jeriann clown is a real idiot.
I agree. Most of them are saying what I believe to be true. But she does not understand the south at all.
I’m glad that none of them think it will look anything like the 1861 War for Independence. Far too much of that misconception running around here on CW threads.
‘“Democrats are doing wild, suicidal things because they are not just on the defensive, but on the verge of collapse, as the Trump administration breaking down their ‘evil empire’… ‘
This isn’t about North or South and if you think the North is unarmed you’re uninformed.
This is about liberals riling up the have nots to start acting out.
At some point the quiet conservatives will start carrying weapons and actively defending themselves.
At that point, the left will attempt to outlaw self-defense and the mayors and governors will seek to confiscate weapons, it won’t happen at the federal level unless we let another liberal in the White House.
If libs get control, then the fight will be with those attempting to confiscate weapons.
If commerce shuts down, that’s a different story.
If there will be a CW II in America, it will start with an world wide economic collapse, a run on the banks, so-to-speak. With a little fact checking, you can find out that the crash of '29 was also followed by another crash 2 years later, because the Fed Gov did not know what they were doing. What I am indicating here is that for CW II to happen there will be a series of cascading events that lead to the condition for violent uprising.
The USA is a majority of "normals" both Dem and Repub who just want to go about their lives. When the average Joe sees the normal living becoming untenable, that is when the first skirmishes will start.
1861 War for Independence...
Did I miss something?
I recall Germany bombing Hiroshima...
or Hawaii.
Yeah....because everyone who lives in the warmer South wants to move to the much colder north. He lost credibility right there.
"One of the most dangerous groups that preppers will have to deal with are the anti-preppers, because they will not only covet what preppers have they will feel the need to punish preppers for having prepared and will feel morally justified in punishing preppers as in their twisted minds they will see the reason that the SHTF event occurred was because they dared prep for it. Their envy and indignation will be like that of leftist have for people who strike out work hard and make a good living or even get well off and not sharing with them. This is a leftist think"
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A thought provoking article
See especially post #12, post #16 & post #43
then apply the "OODA loop" to see if you agree with the writer, the opinions, and the article
Sadly, you have very aptly summarized America today.
The quote is a very valid and accurate one.
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