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Federal judge upholds Mass. assault weapons ban
Boston Globe ^ | 04/06/2018 | AP

Posted on 04/06/2018 9:24:34 AM PDT by GIdget2004

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To: Skywise

When it comes with a system of law, that tolerates no other, then it is more of a political ideology than religion.


41 posted on 04/06/2018 11:25:59 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: GIdget2004

So what firearms are now illegal in MA? Is confiscation coming?


42 posted on 04/06/2018 11:26:04 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: Bob434

If they insist upon making into a criminal, then a criminal I will be, and I promise that I will do my best at it.


43 posted on 04/06/2018 11:35:55 AM PDT by chris37 ("I am everybody." -Mark Robinson)
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To: pabianice
Healey said that citizens legally buying ARs didn't realize they were committing a felony, so they've been allowed, at her pleasure and subject to a change of whim, to retain their weapons of mass destruction.

There has been an additional enforcement notice on other bumpstocks. It stated that you cannot sell or transfer [even out of state] a bumpstock. Your ONLY option is to turn it in to the state. I assume confiscation is the lot for those who don't comply and let their possession be known. I'm not sure if bumpstocks are tracked, they might already know who has them. I'm glad I was never inclined to buy one, it would be what, 500 bucks down the drain, uncompensated?

44 posted on 04/06/2018 11:50:51 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Finnwolf
Of course not all in Colonial America were Patriots, many were neutral and many were Tories.

I have been thinking this lately. The Founders touched upon this also and placated so many to get the Constitution ratified. One can say America as the "experiment" was failing quite sooner after the birth of the nation than we suspect. The North East which holds the original 13 are a sickening disgrace. NJ, where I unfortunately live, is a pathetic Tory state that wrapped the "chains" right back on.

45 posted on 04/06/2018 12:34:58 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: chris37
If they insist upon making into a criminal, then a criminal I will be, and I promise that I will do my best at it.

Don't be so hard on yourself. {;^)

IMO, the historical record makes it clear the 2d enshrines a material element of the bargain by which "the people" ratified the Constitution. The people should be entitled to rely on such element as though it is a promise.

If the government sees fit to breach that promise by banning personal arms (as some states are doing with federal court blessing) then it is the government that is the bad actor, not you.

The government may cover its bad action by labeling you and others a criminal simply for owning a gun, but it is without authority to do so and it is a self-serving fiction.

Given the soft coup v Trump by the WH and our nation's highest government institutions (which yet may be in play), one could reasonably conclude we are in greater danger than we were in 1791. If our government or the Constitution fails, there will be chaos in the streets and our families will face substantial risks.

46 posted on 04/06/2018 12:56:08 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Obama's "Remaking of America" continues apace in the absence of political opposition.)
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To: GIdget2004

The downfall of the American Republic began when we abandoned the practice of Tar and Feathers.


47 posted on 04/06/2018 12:57:25 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: GIdget2004
Every weapon is my birthright.
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

Tench Coxe, William & Mary Bill of Rights Journal

48 posted on 04/06/2018 1:09:42 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: frog in a pot

I realize this, but we now unfortunately have a rogue government, and it’s not just the federal judiciary.

And yes, they are the criminals.

This is going to come to a head at some point in the future.

Free people cannot coexist with tyrants.


49 posted on 04/06/2018 1:20:00 PM PDT by chris37 ("I am everybody." -Mark Robinson)
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To: GIdget2004
The state of Lexington and Concord. The original hotbed of the Revolution and the Spirit on '76.

How absolutely shameful to see what they've become—an authoritarian stronghold which has completely rejected the principles of Liberty which sparked the American Revolution.

It's just tragic to see what a slavish, submissive, big government-dependent herd of sheep the citizens of that Commonwealth has become.

Massachusetts—where the most right-wing Republican is a strident socialist...

50 posted on 04/06/2018 1:21:32 PM PDT by sargon ("If the President doesn't drain the Swamp, the Swamp will drain the President.")
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To: Finnwolf

“Cradle of liberty?” I was raised and educated in Massachusetts , more moonbats and public trough thieves than you can shake a stick at. This judge is way past wrong with this ruling....he needs to be tarred and feathered then kicked into Connecticut to hang with his ilk. Massachusetts has been a cesspool politically since I can remember and I am now 56 . Once I left for the service and saw the rest of the country I realized how corrupt and controlling the state government was....Maura Healey is nothing more than a brain dead democratic broad...screw her idiot that she is.


51 posted on 04/06/2018 4:05:58 PM PDT by mythenjoseph
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To: GIdget2004

Appeal it to SCOTUS. Stop messing with my Bill of Rights.
The term “arms” in the 2nd amendment was not specific on purpose.


52 posted on 04/06/2018 9:25:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: dirtboy

Nice of you to edit the wording and provisions that are protected. “Commonly in use” fire arms are protected. Which puts AR15’s squarely in the protected catsgory.

Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.


53 posted on 04/07/2018 3:16:11 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: Clean_Sweep
I do not agree with Scalia on this, and I am vehemently opposed to any kind of AR-15 ban at any level. Elsewhere in Heller, Scalia states that some level of regulation is still allowed. My point is, Heller is not an airtight protection of 2nd Amendment rights the way some think it is. We have to remain vigilant.
54 posted on 04/08/2018 7:27:53 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Again you are refusing to accept what was decided. Nobody cares what you believe.

He writes what was protected and what was not. PROTECTED FIREARMS “COMMONLY IN USE”.
RESTRICTED “UNUSUAL AND DANGEROUS”.


55 posted on 04/09/2018 12:10:02 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: Clean_Sweep
Yeah, you really know how to build alliances with someone with a slight difference of opinion. Not.

My point is, we cannot just rely on a 5-4 SCOTUS decision that still allows a fair amount of restrictive legislation. And that, IMO, is a far more rational approach than thumping on one's chest.

56 posted on 04/09/2018 12:15:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Clean_Sweep

Oh, and if my position is so off-base, then why did SCOTUS refuse to consider state-level AR-15 bans?


57 posted on 04/09/2018 12:16:42 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Most likely because Chief Justice Roberts has thrown in with the Democrats.


58 posted on 04/09/2018 1:46:38 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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