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The Tech Blogger Take on the Driverless Uber Crash
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| March 20, 2018
| Rush Limbaugh
Posted on 03/20/2018 1:20:31 PM PDT by Kaslin
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:20:31 PM PDT
by
Kaslin
To: Kaslin
As one gun banner told me: “You need a car. You don’t need a gun.”
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:24:55 PM PDT
by
DugwayDuke
("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
To: Kaslin
Good thing that Uber car wasn’t an SUV. ;)
Man, I used to LOVE how Rush would point that out at EVERY opportunity. It was the SUV, not the driver, at fault!
It’s the gun, not the shooter, at fault!
Liberals are such fools.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:25:49 PM PDT
by
Diana in Wisconsin
(I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
To: Kaslin
As I wrote, buried in another thread a bit earlier:
In multiple threads on the topic we have people defending Trump hating Uber, saying little old lady at fault, too dark, too little time, she was pedestrian "not in crosswalk", etc. But consider a few things:
- She is first murder by a "driverless car". Who has responsibility? Liability?
- Uber employed, not for the first time, a felon using false ID to drive; have been warned about that problem multiple times
- Uber previously admits to problem seeing/avoiding bicycles
- Uber admits to problem with bicycle lanes and apparently makes illegal tursn into them
- Uber came to Arizona because it's lack of laws allowed them to operate on streets that other cities did not let them do without more stringent precautions
- The initial police observation and report of the video says the woman was observed walking her bike across the street (hey, who remembers that is how we were taught to cross a street with a bike), thus later claiming they did not see the woman is obviously false
- The initial police observation is that she then came out of a shadow. Look at the pictures, no shadows where she laid dead, the smashed bike lays on the ground, where the car is stopped
- The car is guided by sensors, correct? Sensors would not be affected by shadows, else the car would never be driven at night.
- Sensors normally have faster than human responses, yet the scene and video, according to the police, showed now sign of the car slowing down or breaking
- The driver, despite the video showing the woman crossing the street ahead of them, did not see her, maybe didn't watch, maybe wasn't attentive? Is there a camera on the driver?
- It bears repeating. The car ran her down, without slowing or breaking.
- Would a strictly human-driven car hit her? I wonder as we would have seen her, been watching for her. How many human cars on Phoenix area streets per death vs. the few driverless cars. The driverless car is more dangerous--whether cars per death and likely even worse by miles per death.
- How about the programming, mostly by H1B and others from or in India. What impact does their cultural bias and experience, the lack of respect for life or safety play? Does their lack of it get reflected in the programming. Have you ever been to India? I have. The roads are absolute chaos. On road to Delhi, I saw every mode of transportation you could imagine, even elephants, and everything overloaded and weaving in and out amongst each other, horns blaring. There were accidents and dead people, too. So much filth and over population that they didnt care. Is this the mindset that programs these killer cars?
- So, does Uber take ownership of the crash or circle the wagons and hide, blaming the victim for her death? Shut the deadly program down or restart it once the breaking news focus moves on?
- Interesting timing as Arizona just changed regulations on March 1 to tighten up requirements and responsibilities for driverless cars. They may not find themselves so free to do whatever they want on the streets.
- So, over the past year we had something like 37,000 deaths for over 263 million cars and now one death for a couple hundred driverless cars. Those stats make driverless cars deathtraps by comparisons.
- Why do we have driverless cars on our streets? Is there a need? Who will die next?
Okay, lunch break over. I've always been an opponent of driverless cars being developed and tested on our streets. Using us, the public, as live guinea pigs for there experimentation. I wonder when the first time a terrorist loads one with explosives and sends it to its destination; or a family puts their kids in one to go to school and it is involved in an accident and no adult or parent is there; or someone hacks it and redirects your wife or daughter to an unintended destination; or it takes you through an undesirable no-go area of down and is stopped or breaks down, etc. Oh, yeah, what was the problem they are trying to fix?
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03/20/2018 1:27:30 PM PDT
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03/20/2018 1:28:24 PM PDT
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To: DugwayDuke
Autonomous vehicles will not survive First Contact
with the American Tort Bar.
You heard it here first.
To: Reno89519
She wasn’t murdered by the car. She dashed out from the shadows right in front of the car. It was her own fault.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:36:55 PM PDT
by
Kaslin
(Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
To: Kaslin
“Guns don’t kill people - Ubers kill people”
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:37:33 PM PDT
by
rockrr
(Everything is different now...)
To: Kaslin
In a perfect roboworld the Auto-Uber-Auto would have hit her, processed her, cooked her and then served her up to the homeless and hungry at the passenger’s destination and her relatives would have been awarded a Humanitarian Compassion Medal for her sacrifice.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:41:58 PM PDT
by
MrBambaLaMamba
(Venezuela is Socialism perfected)
To: Reno89519
Why do we have driverless cars on our streets? The answer to this is easy. They want to remove you from the decision making process. At first, the 'driverless' cars will be voluntary. Slowly, over time there will be few and fewer places where you are allowed to actually drive by yourself, as opposed to having your movements being controlled by the government, (which is exactly where all of this is heading).
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:42:20 PM PDT
by
zeugma
(Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
To: Reno89519
She is first murder by a "driverless car". Who has responsibility? Liability?You keep using the word "murder." Murder implies intent and/or pre-meditation. This was not murder. It was a homicide.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:44:21 PM PDT
by
IYAS9YAS
(There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
To: Kaslin
Automous vehicles are an 80/20 90/10 problem....
80-90% of the effort will be in the final 10-20% of the problem...
The fact that you don’t have autonomous trucks or busses doing interstate runs, shows you just how far away we are from autonomous vehicles..
The interstate run is a far simpler problem... All traffic is flowing in the same direction, no cross traffic, etc etc... Yet, here we are NOT having anything autonomous doing this yet, they are driving cars around metropolitan areas... This stuff is being oversold folks.. its not there yet, not by a long shot.
Yes, accidents happen every day, and will continue to happen even with autonomous vehicles, however, the bill of sale that we are on the verge of autonomous vehicles for the masses is complete BS.
Its being overhyped and over sold... its got a LOT more baking to do. I do hope they get it done, particularly so older and visually or otherwise disabled individuals may have the same freedom of movement the rest of us enjoy. I certainly do not want to think of the day when I am old and must give up my car...
But this accident or not, the tech is not remotely there yet...
To: Kaslin
"She dashed out from the shadows."?Committed suicide by car? I had a girlfriend once use that excuse to explain running over a squirrel or cat or something on the road.
May I ask why you are so quick to blame here and excuse the car and technology? I'm very pro-tech in so many ways, but I also think these cars should not be on the roads. The police said further investigation is in order, Uber says their are preparing for expected criminal charges, and the NTSB is just starting their investigation. Yet, you've already dismissed it all. Odd.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:45:41 PM PDT
by
Reno89519
(Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
To: Buckeye McFrog
Autonomous vehicles will not survive First Contact with the American Tort Bar.I see your point, but you are not looking at the big picture. The big picture is quite simple when you're thinking of these 'driverless' vehicles. It is simply a matter of control and who has it. You can bet your bottom dollar that before it's all over it is the government that will have every bit of that control. Do you honestly think they'd let anyone stop a power grab like that?
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:47:10 PM PDT
by
zeugma
(Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
To: Kaslin
If driverless cars killed 20,000 people per year, it would still be a big improvement over the 50,000 or so killed by drivers. Wehave to keep in mind that the current technology kills too.
To: zeugma
>>The answer to this is easy. They want to remove you from the decision making process. At first, the ‘driverless’ cars will be voluntary. Slowly, over time there will be few and fewer places where you are allowed to actually drive by yourself, as opposed to having your movements being controlled by the government, (which is exactly where all of this is heading). <<
Just like GPS trackers sold as conveniences but actually opening you up to be followed anywhere.
I am OK with driverless cars, but I do fear the scenario you paint.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:49:53 PM PDT
by
freedumb2003
(robert mueller is an unguided missile)
To: Kaslin
The woman darted out, and the investigators, the cops said it wouldnt have mattered if the human being in the car had total control over it, this woman would have not been missed. Nobody would have had a reaction time quick enough to avoid hitting her. So the autonomous driving car has been exonerated from any blame in the death. So Im reading my tech blogs on this and the tech blogs are urging caution, and lets not rush to judgment. People die every day. We cant be hasty in our condemnation of this marvelous new technology, driverless automobiles. Dittoes, Rush. Mega-Dittoes.
To: Vince Ferrer
“If driverless cars killed 20,000 people per year, it would still be a big improvement over the 50,000 or so killed by drivers. Wehave to keep in mind that the current technology kills too.”
If the 20,000 die but there is no one who is liable? Then no. It is not ‘better’. Current auto deaths have established legal tools for establishing liability. The current technology does very little of the killing. It is rare that a vehicular death is ruled as being the fault of the vehicle itself.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:54:09 PM PDT
by
TalonDJ
To: Reno89519
>>>Why do we have driverless cars on our streets?
Because half the drivers you encounter on your drive are below average (and they all assume it’s the other guy).
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:54:42 PM PDT
by
oincobx
To: IYAS9YAS
Murder or homicide. If it turns out that Uber knew the car was inherently unsafe in certain conditions, yet put it on the road anyway, if they put an observer in the car that was a felon and not prepared, trained, or ready to react, at what point does it move from being an unanticipated accident, to an anticipated and dismissed one, to want intentionally ignored (cost of experimentation, cost of doing business), thus murder and pre-meditation? Homicide or murder, a fair, thorough, and competent investigation will figure it out.
Right now it is a great topic of conversation. No politics. Well, not much.
Did the car kill her? Did she commit suicide by car? Is it simply her fault?
I am bothered that the police said initial review of the video saw her, saw her crossing the street. Then next they ran her down with out slowing or breaking. I'm sorry, but I've driven hundreds of thousands of miles over the years and when I see something down the road, especially at night, I watch out for it--so far have never hit a deer, for example. Or a kid. Or a little old lady walking her bike across the street.
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posted on
03/20/2018 1:56:55 PM PDT
by
Reno89519
(Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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