[Reno89519]

As I wrote, buried in another thread a bit earlier:

In multiple threads on the topic we have people defending Trump hating Uber, saying little old lady at fault, too dark, too little time, she was pedestrian "not in crosswalk", etc. But consider a few things:

• She is first murder by a "driverless car". Who has responsibility? Liability?
• Uber employed, not for the first time, a felon using false ID to drive; have been warned about that problem multiple times
• Uber previously admits to problem seeing/avoiding bicycles
• Uber admits to problem with bicycle lanes and apparently makes illegal tursn into them
• Uber came to Arizona because it's lack of laws allowed them to operate on streets that other cities did not let them do without more stringent precautions
• The initial police observation and report of the video says the woman was observed walking her bike across the street (hey, who remembers that is how we were taught to cross a street with a bike), thus later claiming they did not see the woman is obviously false
• The initial police observation is that she then came out of a shadow. Look at the pictures, no shadows where she laid dead, the smashed bike lays on the ground, where the car is stopped
• The car is guided by sensors, correct? Sensors would not be affected by shadows, else the car would never be driven at night.
• Sensors normally have faster than human responses, yet the scene and video, according to the police, showed now sign of the car slowing down or breaking
• The driver, despite the video showing the woman crossing the street ahead of them, did not see her, maybe didn't watch, maybe wasn't attentive? Is there a camera on the driver?
• It bears repeating. The car ran her down, without slowing or breaking.
• Would a strictly human-driven car hit her? I wonder as we would have seen her, been watching for her. How many human cars on Phoenix area streets per death vs. the few driverless cars. The driverless car is more dangerous--whether cars per death and likely even worse by miles per death.
• How about the programming, mostly by H1B and others from or in India. What impact does their cultural bias and experience, the lack of respect for life or safety play? Does their lack of it get reflected in the programming. Have you ever been to India? I have. The roads are absolute chaos. On road to Delhi, I saw every mode of transportation you could imagine, even elephants, and everything overloaded and weaving in and out amongst each other, horns blaring. There were accidents and dead people, too. So much filth and over population that they didn’t care. Is this the mindset that programs these killer cars?
• So, does Uber take ownership of the crash or circle the wagons and hide, blaming the victim for her death? Shut the deadly program down or restart it once the breaking news focus moves on?
• Interesting timing as Arizona just changed regulations on March 1 to tighten up requirements and responsibilities for driverless cars. They may not find themselves so free to do whatever they want on the streets.
• So, over the past year we had something like 37,000 deaths for over 263 million cars and now one death for a couple hundred driverless cars. Those stats make driverless cars deathtraps by comparisons.
• Why do we have driverless cars on our streets? Is there a need? Who will die next?

Okay, lunch break over. I've always been an opponent of driverless cars being developed and tested on our streets. Using us, the public, as live guinea pigs for there experimentation. I wonder when the first time a terrorist loads one with explosives and sends it to its destination; or a family puts their kids in one to go to school and it is involved in an accident and no adult or parent is there; or someone hacks it and redirects your wife or daughter to an unintended destination; or it takes you through an undesirable no-go area of down and is stopped or breaks down, etc. Oh, yeah, what was the problem they are trying to fix?

[Kaslin]

She wasn’t murdered by the car. She dashed out from the shadows right in front of the car. It was her own fault.

[zeugma]

Why do we have driverless cars on our streets?

The answer to this is easy. They want to remove you from the decision making process. At first, the 'driverless' cars will be voluntary. Slowly, over time there will be few and fewer places where you are allowed to actually drive by yourself, as opposed to having your movements being controlled by the government, (which is exactly where all of this is heading).

[IYAS9YAS]

•She is first murder by a "driverless car". Who has responsibility? Liability?

You keep using the word "murder." Murder implies intent and/or pre-meditation. This was not murder. It was a homicide.

[oincobx]

>>>Why do we have driverless cars on our streets?

Because half the drivers you encounter on your drive are below average (and they all assume it’s the other guy).

[Balding_Eagle]

You started out by using the word ‘murder’.

Can you backup the use of that word?

If so, the rest of your post might be worth reading.

[Delta 21]

This wasnt very hard to predict.

https://youtu.be/c2sqiQDhDnc

[logi_cal869]

Nailed it.

Except another factor: In our state pedestrians have the right of way. Crosswalk or not.

Thus, for the Oober-lovers out there, you’re going to have to press your Legislatures (I’m sure other states have similar pro-pedestrian laws) to relax the pedestrian laws to make exceptions for driverless cars with no conscience and no ability to feign ignorance, either of the law or of failure to yield (”she came out of the shadow” ain’t gonna cut it for liability on an AI platform such as a driverless car).

Oober will pay off the woman’s family and it won’t go to court. I’d bet on it.

Since I can’t pass up an opportunity to sh!t on Oober:

I have a friend who’s been fawning over the $4000/month he’s been making based on Oober’s reports. I’ve asked him some pointed questions, for which I’ve yet to receive a straight answer. I’ve warned him that his screenshot reports include Oober’s cut which is not deducted, is a gross figure (not taking into account estimated tax payments) and makes no adjustment whatsoever for expenses such as fuel or maintenance. I figure he’s making roughly $14-17 hour gross and failing to pay his estimated taxes (I know him well).

That means adjusting tax penalties and cashflow expenses (he never saves a dime) I figure his actual gross income after expenses and before taxes (apples-to-apples) is right about $10-12/hr (being generous)...POSSIBLY including his standby time sitting in the car BEFORE getting a ride but certainly NOT his one-way transit time to the pickup.

Even IF he’s only doing this in the evenings 4-6 hours every night, do the math: Pathetic.

[motor_racer]

“After considering the evidence, it was decided that the rogue Uber car didn’t have to be put down.”