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Political Battle Battle Over Dossiers,FISA,Surveilance (trunc) (Clapper no FISA?)
CTH ^ | 1/10/18 | Sundance

Posted on 01/10/2018 12:41:14 AM PST by Be Careful

IMPORTANT – We are no longer taking it for granted a FISA warrant was ever given to the DOJ because NO-ONE can prove a FISA warrant exists.IF THERE WAS a FISA Warrant issued against the Trump Campaign, or Trump Officials, by the FBI (Counterintelligence Unit), or DOJ (National Security Division), James Clapper would have to be notified of it.

Now, let’s look at what happens when James Clapper is questioned about the FISA Warrant, as he explains on NBC March 5th 2017. This is TWO WEEKS BEFORE the James Comey testimony to congress on March 20th.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 20170305; clapper; comeyrico; dojrico; fbirico; fbisedition; fbitreason; fisa; fisarico; fisawarrant; jamesclapper; mediawingofthednc; nofisawarrant; partisanmediashills; sedition; steeledossier; sundance; treason; trumprussia; trumpsurveillance
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To: Grampa Dave
I think that most of the conspirators are going to point at Strzok and Page as the only real renegades, and this may lead those two to turn John Dean. Imagine a worse social situation for keeping silent: two conspirators in a love affair at work behind their spouses' back! No way will they remain silent and go down with the ship to protect Hillary and Obama. They will make deals, and point their fingers upward, until all of the fingers are pointing at Obama and HRC.


41 posted on 01/10/2018 6:43:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Grampa Dave

eye-opener——thanks


42 posted on 01/10/2018 6:57:22 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 Trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Travis McGee

Waiting for the DOJ/FBI Smug Thugs to produce their first James Dean.

Thanks for the ping.


43 posted on 01/10/2018 6:59:50 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America had regime change 20 Jan 2017! ISIS collapsed! Are Iran/Our media, the DNC/FBI/DOJ/CIA next?)
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To: Liz

You bet.

Like your tagline.


44 posted on 01/10/2018 7:00:49 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America had regime change 20 Jan 2017! ISIS collapsed! Are Iran/Our media, the DNC/FBI/DOJ/CIA next?)
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To: Grampa Dave

Got my tagger from you.


45 posted on 01/10/2018 7:03:46 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 Trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Fhios
Is there or is there not a Fisa warrant?

It's like this...

There was a Fisa warrant used to spy on Trump. Had to be or otherwise the spying was illegal.

Since the Fisa Warrant was gained illegally, there is no Fisa Warrant because getting one illegally would be 'illegal'.

Ergo... the DEMS did nothing wrong and Trump is a crook.

See how simple things are ?

46 posted on 01/10/2018 7:04:10 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Grampa Dave
On Monday, Fox News Channel judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano alleged that three intelligence sources had confirmed to him that the Obama administration used GCHQ (Britain's NSA) to spy on President Trump during the 2016 election so that there would be no paper trail.

Shades of ECHELON !!!

47 posted on 01/10/2018 7:10:14 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Thank you.


48 posted on 01/10/2018 7:12:08 AM PST by a little elbow grease (I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.)
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To: bitt; Alberta's Child; semantic

ping


49 posted on 01/10/2018 7:13:43 AM PST by a little elbow grease (I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.)
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To: Be Careful
This theory also begs another question to be asked again.

Why did the Judge presiding over the Michael Flynn case, (who is also a presiding Judge in the FISC), have to recuse himself if their was no FISA issued as Sundance suggests?

50 posted on 01/10/2018 7:39:16 AM PST by thingumbob (Antifa. Carrying on Hitler's legacy one beating at a time.)
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To: Fhios

As I’ve mentioned in a few prior posts over the course of the past 10 months or so, I had a conversation with Devin Nunes about this several months ago, just prior to his trip to the EEOB. To (hopefully) put a fine point on it:

Lacking a FISA warrant/authorization (a sound assumption, given that the supporting affidavit would expose the FBI’s and DOJ’s intent):

1) The FBI, with the complicity of the DOJ National Security Division (NSD), was engaged in illegal (warrantless) electronic surveillance of the Trump campaign, of which it is entirely capable within the US, or;

2) The FBI and DOJ NSD were making illegal (warrantless) queries (”about queries”) of NSA data to expose conversations of Donald Trump and members of his campaign and transition team.

Option 2 is clearly the most likely and I suspect that the conspirators and participants thought their about queries and unmasking requests would “fly under the radar” at NSA and pose less risk of exposure than an independent FBI surveillance operation or the submission of a FISA affidavit/request for authorization. I would add that, in the aftermath of receiving information via “about queries”, other senior members of the Obama administration - many of whom had little or nothing to do with national security - obtained the results of those about queries and requested the unmasking of the parties involved in those conversations.

This tells us three things: 1) The existence of this illegal intercept “program” was widely known at the highest levels of the Obama administration; 2) Its existence explains why Obama issued an Executive Order authorizing broad access to compartmented information; and 3) The unusual number of “about queries” and requests for unmasking was the subject of ADM Rogers’ visit to President-Elect Trump on Nov. 17th and the reason why Trump transition headquarters was moved the following day.

In my opinion, this is no longer a conspiracy “theory”, but is now a conspiracy CASE in the offing. To coin a phrase we used to use, “Time to crawl up their ass with a flashlight!”


51 posted on 01/10/2018 8:12:20 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ve gotten better answers than this.


52 posted on 01/10/2018 8:17:32 AM PST by Fhios
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To: Be Careful

The Obama administration used the NSA intelligence whenever it was needed to obtain their end. The end always justified the means, legal or otHerwise. I firmly believe that Chief Justice John Roberts was spied on and blackmailed into making his decision on Obamacare favorable to the Obama needs. I also believe that General David Patraus (spelling is phonic) and his relationship with his honey were discovered by using NSA data. They wanted him gone and it worked. Their use of NSA data is extensive. When you turn a child loose in a candy store they never eat just one piece of candy.


53 posted on 01/10/2018 8:23:22 AM PST by Saltmeat
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To: ManHunter

If everything you say is true I cannot for the life of me see why this wasn’t made clear, why did the DOJ and the FBI deny this information.

It’s more than they were just covering themselves or Sessions was recused. Trump knew Nunes new then the gang of eight knew as well as the people doing the illicit 702?

No, I think there is more. when the name is hidden and remains hidden it means the who would be damaging. I don’t believe the who is Obama. I believe the who is British intelligence. That theory was floated very late 2016 and then quickly shushed up.


54 posted on 01/10/2018 8:24:59 AM PST by Fhios
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To: Be Careful
THIS JUST IN:

The FISA warrant is next to Obama's long form BC.


55 posted on 01/10/2018 8:52:11 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: thingumbob

Per Sundance:

“RE: Judge Contreras recusal. Contreras would know there were illegal FISA-702(17) searches because NSA Rogers told the entire empaneled FISC. Ergo, recused because his knowledge of the FISA conflict/material, MIGHT include seeds of evidence against Mike Flynn. pic.twitter.com/oW7tQoSCbK

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) January 10, 2018”


56 posted on 01/10/2018 8:55:10 AM PST by Sloane_Ranger
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To: Sloane_Ranger

Thanks for the answer to that nagging question.


57 posted on 01/10/2018 9:03:47 AM PST by thingumbob (Antifa. Carrying on Hitler's legacy one beating at a time.)
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To: silverleaf

It is at least 5 seditionists of color:

Obama, Holder, Lynch, Jarrett and Rice, ?


58 posted on 01/10/2018 9:23:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America had regime change 20 Jan 2017! ISIS collapsed! Are Iran/Our media, the DNC/FBI/DOJ/CIA next?)
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To: Liz

“Got my tagger from you.”

BOL! Besides owning all of the ammo and knowing what bathrooms to use, I have been telling liberals wanting to impeach President Trump:

There are 62 million of us, who voted for President Trump. We own most of the guns in America, most of the ammo.

We know how to use our guns and ammo, if they try to illegally impeach our President.


59 posted on 01/10/2018 9:32:38 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America had regime change 20 Jan 2017! ISIS collapsed! Are Iran/Our media, the DNC/FBI/DOJ/CIA next?)
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To: UCANSEE2

Read about 5 Eyes which replaced Echelon and is still going and using PRISM.


60 posted on 01/10/2018 9:35:27 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America had regime change 20 Jan 2017! ISIS collapsed! Are Iran/Our media, the DNC/FBI/DOJ/CIA next?)
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