Posted on 12/13/2017 4:50:06 AM PST by Kaslin
There was very little serious bullying at school because the teachers would get involved, they would get a hold of a bully and get them to the principal. Other students- the bullied child, an older sibling or friend would beat up the bully. Now that doesn’t happen because of all the liberal lawsuits, teachers worried about getting fired and students getting in just as much trouble as the bully if they defend themselves or another.
And keep children off ALL social media until at least 18.
I taught my children (all girls) to stand up to bullies. My oldest daughter beat up a boy on the bus that would not stop bullying a disabled child. Yes she was suspended because of the “zero tolerance” BS but we told her she was a hero. The parents should not get hung up on the idea that their child should never get in trouble; but need to really look at each situation. The schools can be wrong, and the longer liberals are in charge of education the more likely the school is wrong.
“People say fist fighting doesn’t solve anything but I have seen it solve bullying and aggressive behavior.”
This EXACTLY mirrors the hands-off never-touch child-rearing approach; no corporal punishment. The stupid reasoning is “how can you teach that violence is bad with violence?” Because the “violence” punishment is a REACTION, not being done for itself!
Nothing personal here, I know this is a hot button issue for you and I respect that.
But...yes.
You cannot legislate or punish individual behaviors out of existence. You can put in place laws, but laws are observed by law-abiding people break laws. Some people do it because they have a bad upbringing. Some people do it because they are just evil.
This is 100% proven in human history. Those things have been with us as long as we are human, and will be with us forever.
That kids bully other kids is not going to change no matter how much you punish kids or give them speeches, or make time out corners, or speak nicely to them.
So if a kid says something mean to another kid, deliberately excludes them from their birthday party and laughs about it, or throws a dodgeball exclusively at one single kid, there are idiots who want to define bullying down to that level, usually the same idiots who want to define sexual harassment down to those fine levels. And yes, they are almost exclusively liberals.
Liberals think they can prevent people from physical and psychological discomfort or harm, and they cannot. And it is imbecilic on their part to think they can.
Bottom line: You can work hard to keep your own kids from becoming bullies, but you can’t raise other people’s kids to do the same. Kids are kid, not adults, and we can’t treat them as such, as much as liberals want to give them full adult rights.
Exactly. Sometimes there are ways around it you can reason or make friends with them. Sometimes you can avoid it. Sometimes you have to go to an authority figure.
But sometimes you have to stick up for yourself.
Yes exactly. I rarely spanked my children, but they certainly knew I would.
You are absolutely correct. Life even as an adult is really a mixture of Lord of the Flies and High School. Skills acquired dealing with bullies in childhood will help you deal with jag off bosses, co-workers, neighbors etc. Best to master these skills at an early age than flip out at age 45.
I never said it CAN be eliminated, as we will always have some of this sinfulness with us, but it can be GREATLY reduced by PROPERLY punishing kids/people in the right manner.
We do not properly punish anymore, so even if it is fitting a proper to have laws stating it’s a felony to murder or maim others (or their property - another example of dumbing down the punishment system since property violation often treated as unimportant these days), if we are not serious about it as to punish quickly and severely, those behaviors are enabled and continued.
It’s not liberal to have murder laws or assault/battery laws, OR theft laws. In fact, I’d say it’s very, very conservative. Moreso if the punishment system worked. I prefer swift and sure death sentences for many serious offenders.
I was rarely hit, but I knew my parents would.
My son knows I’m willing. But he’s such a sensitive (overly) soul who also behaves very carefully, that we have never hit him, going on 10. He gets upset if we slightly raise our voices.
We shouldn’t and can’t apply those laws to children.
Bullying in children and in adults are two different things, and have to be treated differently.
For adults, they can be workforce penalties or felonies, which are appropriate since adults know what bullying is and the behavior falls under existing laws.
20-30 years ago, the schools ignored it unless blood was drawn or bones were broken in the mistaken belief it built character.
Today, it really depends on the context:
* black on white assaults, they ignore/minimize because it is racist in their minds to expect civilized behavior from blacks; liberal bigotry creates real bigots of those abused and then ignored by authority
* bullying of sexual minorities is horrific and all involved and accused of involvement are punished harshly; unfair double standards while teaching the minorities that power comes from victimhood, cry and you have moral authority
* generic bullying is seen as bad but they cannot police everything, but when a victim defends themselves, they are punished because liberals consider all violence equally bad; this trains good kids to be victims of the bad kids
* misplaced compassion for various victim groups (ethnic minorities, kids from broken homes) leads to more of them going to prison because they aren’t severely punished for moderate offenses in school early. If Trayvon had been punished for theft and drugs at 13, he’s unlikely to have been casing houses to rob at 16.
I did the same thing.
I was invited by the cool kids to go smoking and drink at parties when I was 12, I said no thanks. I was alienated from that, and spent years fighting. Fought everyday from grade 8 through grade 12. The latter years were mostly spent defending kids being bullied because nobody wanted to pick on me anymore lol. I couldn’t stand by and watch someone else being tormented though, I’d intervene everytime.
We had a neighborhood bully pushed everyone around. We ended up butting heads and I thumped him twice and he steered clear of me and my brothers.
I told my kids growing up, take your part and make them pay a price. If you are ganged up on let them know you will catch each one of them alone and kick their a$$. My oldest son ran into a bully in first grade and he kept telling me about it and I asked have you told your teacher? Yes. Did she stop it? No. Figures, they are are useless. Then the next time you tear into him and make them pull you off of him before you stop hitting him. But I will get in trouble! Yes you will but not at home, I will back you.
He came home a few more days whining around and I finally said, you know what to do, I don’t want to hear about it anymore. The next day he hit back and the bully left him alone for good.
What is funny is he became more sheep dog than sheep at that point. A few years later in a summer camp him and little sister and brother were attending they had a bully who was bothering even tiny kids up to the bigger ones except for my oldest son, they were the same age.
This went on for a week or so and the bully said something to my youngest son, way smaller and younger, didn’t hit him, just said something. My oldest waited for the camp aids to disappear and he caught the bully in the bathroom and administered a stomping to him with the words, you touch another kid, any kid we will do this all summer long and the abuse stopped dead in its tracks! Years later I was talking to a teacher in this camp and my oldest son’s name came up and I mentioned the story and she grinned and said, we wondered what changed with the bully. She just winked and said, he did good! He turned out to be a cop.
A Boy Named Sue
Teachers and principals talk a big game about being against it now but it is a total joke. I have a cousin who is a counselor in a public school setting and her daughter was bullied relentlessly by a classmate and also a member of the basketball team. Abuse that had been over social media, to verbal abuse and mocking to finally a violent physical assault.
My cousin documented all these events, took them to the teacher, coach and principal and they did nothing. Finally the girl assaulted her daughter and it sent her to the ER. It was caught on video and the result, the girl was suspended for a game and when it came time for the game she was suspended from to be enforced the coach and principal overrode the suspension it, the result, nothing, absolutely nothing. They went to the school board, same result. Whenever I hear “educators” rail about no tolerance for bullies I call BS!
My youngest son a couple of years ago had his glasses snatched from his face and broken on the bus. I called the principal and the driver had witnessed it and saw it all and it went down like my son said. I asked what are you going to do about this? Well the boy is from a poor family and started making excuses.
I stopped him and said this is bullying, either do something about it or I will tell my son to stomp this kid the next time he lays a finger on him. Oh you can’t have him fighting. I said it’s a fight or I call the police department and make this a criminal assault and we will take this out of your hands. My brother in law is the chief of police and we will get law enforcement involved I am not putting up with this crap all year, how do you want to do this, make your choice. The kid was kicked off the bus for the rest of the year and wrote a long apology letter. He never touched or bothered my son again.
A hit by Johnny Cash.
I was never a big kid, and I got bullied, but I quickly found out that you fight back. I still wasn’t big, but was strong and really quick, by the time I was in HS, I had a reputation as one to not mess with.
My discovery was that if someone started something, get the first punch in...and the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, then a couple more while they were on their back. Bullying isn’t something new, quit being pussies.
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