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MICHAEL FLYNN TO PLEAD GUILTY TODAY IN MUELLER CASE
twitter ^ | 12/01/2017 | Twitter/Tom Winter

Posted on 12/01/2017 6:14:38 AM PST by GIdget2004

BREAKING FROM SPECIAL COUNSEL: The court has scheduled a plea hearing for Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn (Ret.), 58, of Alexandria, Va., at 10:30 a.m.

(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fbi; flynn; flynnpleadeal; michaelflynn; mueller; trumprussia
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To: Jane Long

Reminds of Scooter Libby who supposedly lied by just repeating what was common knowledge on the wine and cheese circuit concerning the Plame woman.

Even the wapo thinks Libby was screwed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/04/09/time-to-reverse-the-scooter-libby-conviction/?utm_term=.2dcd7f606144


81 posted on 12/01/2017 7:26:36 AM PST by Let's Roll ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality" -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Steven W.
According to the filing (thanks for link!) Flynn was being wiretapped on 12/22/16 that was unmasked and lied in what he told FBI on 1/24/17 before he was cut loose by Trump in February 2017. We knew all this months back ... meanwhile ... Marie Harf on FNC saying that of course Obama was wiretapping all the Trump people!

Yes, and per previous reports the subject being discussed was the Obama sanctions on Russia. Flynn was supposedly fired for lying to Pence that they weren't discussed on that phone call, at all, leading Pence to state that no Trump official had done so, But supposedly Sally Yates called Pence and/or Trump and told them they had the tape of Flynn, which led to the firing, and now the charge of lying to the FBI as they had questioned him as part of the vetting for National Security Advisor.

Debates exist about how deep Flynn's conversations about the sanctions went, and if they were made while he was on vacation in the Caribbean or not. Per supposed leaks nothing was actually promised to the Russians, especially not in a quid pro quo manner, but no transcripts or audio has ever been released.

But most importantly, whatever discussions that Flynn had with the Russians, they were apparently made completely on his own, based on Trump and Pence's assertions that no promises were made by anyone to their knowledge, which would certainly have included themselves. And they followed through with the quick firing of Flynn for what might have been an otherwise inconsequential lie.

Where Mueller takes this now is anyone's guess, but based on all the known facts so far, he seems extremely intent on charging Trump team members with anything he can possibly find, while turning a complete blind eye to anyone related to the Clinton campaign.

82 posted on 12/01/2017 7:26:56 AM PST by Golden Eagle (Donald Trump: "There's a lot of people disappointed in the Justice department, including me.")
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Hillary was not under oath when interviewed by the FBI. She had several lawyers with her. There was no transcript, recording or even notes taken at the interview. What a country...no, what a government.


83 posted on 12/01/2017 7:27:49 AM PST by Freee-dame (Best election ever.)
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To: kabar
Considering policy other than Obama's was apparently a crime in their eyes and justified them wiretapping Trump and then leaking such to the Washington Compost. Flynn's crime was lying to FBI about it and that's why he was fired by Trump.

We knew all this ... there is no there there ... Trump is POTUS!

Now as for those who were doing the wiretapping ... TBD ;)
84 posted on 12/01/2017 7:29:11 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: Sans-Culotte
Reminds me of the Martha Stewart conviction for lying about insider trading, even though she was not charged with insider trading.

Yup just like with Scouter Libby. Manufacturer charge where no crime was committed.

85 posted on 12/01/2017 7:30:48 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: GIdget2004

Name rank and Service Number- did you forget that General?


86 posted on 12/01/2017 7:31:04 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Golden Eagle

Dunno of course ... but seems to me this sets up a precedent about lying to Mueller that should be applied to Obama + Clinton folks. This sequence of events sets up for something major to drop this coming week, hopefully after the tax bill is passed and John McCain’s curiously switching boots isn’t a factor here.


87 posted on 12/01/2017 7:31:43 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: Freee-dame

From what I’ve heard this morning on FOX, apparently lying to the FBI whether under oath or not is actionable.


88 posted on 12/01/2017 7:32:23 AM PST by CedarDave (Alt-left hates presidents pics on paper money. I'll gladly collect those offensive bills from them!)
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To: Red Badger
Process crime. IOW, there was no crime until the process started..................

"Show me the man and I'll find you the crime."
Lavrenti Beria, head of Stalin's secret police

89 posted on 12/01/2017 7:32:45 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: GIdget2004

If this is the only charge, it may mean that he agreed to plead guilty to this in exchange for cooperation.

Hold on tight.


90 posted on 12/01/2017 7:33:32 AM PST by Hilda
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To: Hilda

Jonathon Turley is confused because with the wiretapping it’s an easy case to prove, we already knew all this. Flynn’s testimony is tainted by the guilty plea ... unless Flynn’s testimony is to go against Obama regime for the surveillance.


91 posted on 12/01/2017 7:35:36 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: GIdget2004

Nobody ever refers to him as “Former Obama DIA Chief”. He worked for Obama for 2 years, three weeks for Trump.


92 posted on 12/01/2017 7:35:38 AM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Alberta's Child
Donald Trump was never a target of Mueller

Trump is absolutely THE target of Mueller, your crazy if you can't see that. Trump fired Mueller best forever friend Comey. Mueller and Comey are Clinton cleaners, they are going after Trump. Give the rats the house in 2018 and then Mueller will feed the impeachment machine. No rat house Mueller will leak leak leak to weaken Trump in 2020. Mueller is the swamp.

93 posted on 12/01/2017 7:39:44 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: kjam22

“Can we agree muller is not on team trump??”

When a question contains a false premise like yours, it is known as a “loaded question” and is a type of fallacy.

Example: “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

The only rational response to a loaded question is to ignore it. Typically, the questioner will keep repeating it ad nauseum and can not understand why nobody will give them a direct answer.

It is because people don’t generally like having words put in their mouths.


94 posted on 12/01/2017 7:42:27 AM PST by enumerated
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To: GIdget2004

Why anyone would speak to the FBI on any subject is beyond me. I would tell them the name of my dog if they came to the door. I’d politely say: I’m a patriotic American citizen. Talk to my lawyer. Her is his number. Now GTFO my front porch.


95 posted on 12/01/2017 7:42:28 AM PST by anton
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To: jpsb

In YOUR opinion. There are very credible experts who disagree with everything your posted here. Wait and we’ll see who is right.


96 posted on 12/01/2017 7:43:33 AM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Hilda

“Hold on tight”

Indeed. Trump may be in the clear regarding Russia, as some pundits are saying, but Mueller has already veered from just investigating Russia collusion by charging Manafort for charges occurring way back in 2005. As said above on this thread, the Rats will keep looking and looking and looking and never stop.


97 posted on 12/01/2017 7:44:05 AM PST by CedarDave (Alt-left hates presidents pics on paper money. I'll gladly collect those offensive bills from them!)
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To: Steven W.
Exactly. The only reason the FBI could charge Flynn with lying is because they had the recording of Flynn's meeting with the Russian ambassador. The intel community was monitoring the Trump transition team based initially on the Steele dossier that formed the basis of a FISA warrant.

Obama was running all of this because he did not want his policies undermined when Trump assumed office. And Congress put those policies in stone under Trump when they passed overwhelmingly a law prohibiting the lifting of sanctions by the President who had to come to Congress in order to do so.

Flynn will be pardoned by Trump at some point, probably before he leaves office in 2021 or 2025 depending on what happens in 2020.

Pence and Trump must have had the recording of the Flynn meeting with the Russian ambassador provided by the intel community. They had no choice but to fire Flynn who was probably exceeding his authority. Still, there is no crime with discussing these matters with the Russians, only the process crime of lying about it to the FBI.

98 posted on 12/01/2017 7:44:48 AM PST by kabar
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To: enumerated

Lol. I’ll ask you the same question. Can we agree muller is not on team trump???


99 posted on 12/01/2017 7:46:01 AM PST by kjam22
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To: bigbob

Curious it’s now said that Flynn will plead Not Guilty so there is no plea and only a statement of information presented to Court, this is all Mueller had on Flynn / Trump. Meanwhile John Roberts saying there is a plea deal.


100 posted on 12/01/2017 7:46:59 AM PST by Steven W.
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