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AL Gov. Kay Ivey Still Supports Moore because of the Supreme Court
Townhall.com ^
| November 18, 2017
| Tomothy Meads
Posted on 11/18/2017 3:53:19 PM PST by Kaslin
The preponderance of alleged sexual impropriety committed by Alabama Republican senate candidate Judge Roy Moore has yet to dissuade several prominent Republicans from voting for him. Alabama Governor Kay Ivey announced Friday she still supports Moore. Ivey specifically said she does so due to potential Supreme Court vacancies.
"I believe in the Republican Party, what we stand for, and most important, we need to have a Republican in the United States Senate to vote on things like Supreme Court justices, other appointments the Senate has to confirm and make major decisions,” Ivey told reporters on Friday. Ivey also said she has no reason not to believe Moore's accusers, but noted that the timing of their accusations is "curious."
Roy Moore is accused by various women in the state of Alabama for either dating or attempting to make sexual advances towards them when they were teenagers. One woman claims this happened when she was as young as 14 and Moore was in his 30s. The most heinous of these allegations comes from Beverly Nelson, who says Roy Moore raped her when she was 16.
But, unless there is hidden audio, video, or some other photographic evidence, there is no way to prove that these women are telling the truth. However, Daily Wire writer and Twitter extraordinaire Matt Walsh summed up the situation nicely:
Gov. Ivey’s position is truly no different than Washington Post columnist Kate Harding’s stance on Al Franken. There is actual photo evidence that Franken assaulted a sleeping Leeann Tweeden. Plus, Tweeden accused the former Saturday Night Live host of shoving his tongue down her throat without consent. Yet Harding is willing to forgo her moral compass to allow Franken to stay in power. To Harding, Franken should remain in power because he is voting the right way. He has a chance, in her mind, to protect women through future votes. Harding says her position can still change. "Only one woman has alleged that Franken assaulted her; if her story emboldens others to tell theirs, and the senator is revealed to be a serial predator, then I wouldn’t want him in a position of power for one more minute.”
Now, to be fair, Leeann Tweeden has said that she does not want Sen. Franken to step down. She maintains her only goal was to empower other victims of sexual assault to come forward. What Leeann Tweeden went through is clearly very traumatic. It was brave of her to come forward, especially against a person of power both in Hollywood and in Congress. But, unless Franken is punished, how emboldened will other assault victims be to reveal their stories? What good is it if victims come forward, but then no consequences occur to the perpetrator once it is determined they are telling the truth?
Harding and Ivey are both playing to the ugliness that pervades American politics; tribalism. Ivey puts forth quite explicitly that her allegiance is to the GOP. Harding says she is loyal to Democrats. Ivey says she has no reason not to believe the women, but justifies her decision because of the Supreme Court. Harding essentially says one woman is not that bad, so why bother getting rid of Franken and lose votes? The two are putting their tribes - Democrats and Republicans - ahead of individuals.
The problem is both these public figures view the battle between the GOP and the Democrat Party as a true civil war. Both are taking radical positions and truly embracing Saul Alinsky. One of his famed rules is, “In war, the end justifies almost any means.” Like many Americans, these two are putting their short term goals ahead of what should be their rock solid principles.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alabama; roymoore; saulalinsky; warontheunborn; washingtoncompost; washingtonpost
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To: cmj328
No one is conceding guilt, it just isn’t relevant to anything.
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posted on
11/18/2017 7:02:07 PM PST
by
fortheDeclaration
(Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
To: rightwingcrazy
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posted on
11/18/2017 7:06:47 PM PST
by
Kaslin
(Quid est Veritas?: What Is Truth?)
To: Kaslin
You know, it really doesn't matter. The die was cast long ago. Agree with the way things are or not, Judge Moore should certainly be an Alabama senator.
This argument is millennia old. Human civilization has largely been a patriarchal system. Men have nearly always wielded power and influence over women. The cynic can say that men have ruled the roost, nothing wrong with that, men are simply the stronger sex. The stronger of the strong typically rise to the top.
It's curiously satisfying to watch the Libs go nuts, as usual. They always put politics above ethics. They have protected sexual predators for many decades, simply because the predator had agreeable ;political stances. They've ignored the wolves in their fold and made excuses. Now, with alleged wolves within their opponent's camps, they've discovered virtue, morality, integrity, ethics? I laugh at their angst. I am giddy watching them twist and wriggle and make rationalization of their acceptance of those friendly wolves within their own flocks of sheep.
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posted on
11/18/2017 8:47:19 PM PST
by
Thumper1960
(Trump-2016)
To: NRx
“The choice is between a creep and someone who thinks its OK to kill babies.”
At least you are pro-life, though naive about politics.
I see you’ve been with Free Republic for less than 3 years. I’m wondering if that is because of a change in politics, Obama pushed you to the right, you grew up, or some other explanation for where you’ve been for the prior decade of leftwing devastation.
How would you feel to be asked for an interview on your local TV news about whether you’ve quit sexually assaulting underage girls before or after you joined Free Republic two-and-a-half years ago?
The reality is that people rarely change from a sexual fixation. If Moore really did anything remotely similar to what he’s been accused of, it would have showed up in how he’s conducted himself since.
I find it literally impossible to believe that a sexual predator would be so devoted to God and the Bible as to be willing to lose his job over it. That’s what Moore did.
Some politicians wrap themselves in the mantle of religion to get votes and get ahead. Moore did the opposite.
At most, Moore dated and attempted to date younger, but of legal age, girls.
You’ve got people in both parties who hate Moore because of his views on homosexuality, Islam, immigration, and many other things. And these people are willing to do anything to destroy him.
So I don’t know why any conservative has trouble believing his side of the story.
If this is all it takes to destroy the political career of any conservative, then you can expect it to happen over and over from now on. Don’t fall for this nonsense.
Without ironclad proof, nothing that happened 40 years ago is worthy of any consideration. If a person truly believes someone was a sexual predator, they should scrutinize his current life to see if there is any more recent evidence.
The evidence that Bill Clinton, the Podestas, and many other leftwing power players have sexually abused children is overwhelming. Bill Clinton took many trips with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein to his lolita island. When someone is a sex abuser, if you don’t have evidence to convict, you just need to track their activities, because they will do it again.
People are afraid to expose rich and powerful people like Bill Clinton. They are not afraid of a judge who has gotten kicked out of his position twice: once for controversially insisting on displaying a large ten commandments display, and once for instructing other judges to ignore the Supreme Court’s ruling on homosexual marriage.
None of the allegations against him are credible.
If you or any other conservative is willing to take what has been put forward against Moore for anything more than slander and libel, you deserve to have it done to you to teach you a lesson.
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posted on
11/18/2017 8:48:34 PM PST
by
unlearner
(You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
To: Kaslin
At this point you either have to believe that dozens upon dozens of regular people are liars... So now we're up to "dozens upon dozens?"
-PJ
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posted on
11/18/2017 8:52:37 PM PST
by
Political Junkie Too
(The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
To: Kaslin
“The most heinous of these allegations comes from Beverly Nelson, who says Roy Moore raped her when she was 16.”
No such allegations were made.The claim was he got aggressive and she thought he was going to try and rape her, so she jumped out of his car.
I have not heard a single allegation of non-consensual sex or even consensual sex outside of marriage.
Yes, there have been nasty allegations mixed with innuendo. But not this. How can someone write an article like this and get so far off the mark?
This whole thing IS about sex. It is about the homosexual agenda promoters who do not want a man like Moore to be a senator.
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posted on
11/18/2017 8:56:20 PM PST
by
unlearner
(You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
To: af_vet_1981
There is only one case where physical edvidence has been produced and that is the yearbook. It’s clearly a fraud. If you can find one liar, you can find plenty more.
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posted on
11/18/2017 9:40:21 PM PST
by
Nateman
(The louder the left screams , the better it is for America!)
To: Thumper1960
I believe JUDGE Roy Moore also.
Read this:
ITS A FAKE!
Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accusers Yearbook Was FORGED
The sevens in 1977 to the right of Christmas, are very different from the sevens in the date (12-22-77) above Old Hickory House.
Look at the two versions of the number 7, tweeted Wictor.
12-22-77 and Olde Hickory House were written by a different person, he added.
Next, [Thomas] Wictor points out the R and y in Roy, are not written the same way.
The inflection of the Y is more pronounced in Moore signature as Chief Justice. The R is noticeably longer in the signature of Chief Justice, as well.
During his legal career, Judge Moore became the first full-time Deputy District Attorney in Etowah County, Alabama, and served in this position from 1977 until 1982. In 1984, Judge Moore undertook private practice of law in Gadsden, Alabama, states Moores bio on his campaign website.
The accuser to this day calls him the District Attorney. He was NEVER District attorney. He was DEPUTY DA. DDA, says Wictor. ... "
Check out this little fact from
TheCipher Interesting revelation about the signature in the yearbook and where it probably came from.
Turns out Moore was the judge who ruled against Nelson in her divorce case and the signature is exactly how it was on his ruling - explains the D.A. ( which Nelson has ).
Nelson also said she never had contact with him since the "incident"and failed to mention he was the judge in her divorce case.Roy Moore Attorney Demands Gloria Allred Release Original Yearbook, Contends its a Fraud
" ... "D.A." (District Attorney) initials after Moores signature, was recognized by Moore as the initials that his then-assistant, Deborah Adams , used to sign documents. ... "
From
"TigerClaws" :
" ... But (exhibit 2) click on the image in the link.
You can clearly see two different color ink pens were used.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859
Here's that image and a link to its ORIGINAL source :
And heres one more source:
Live Stream: Moore Campaign Holding Press Conference
Furthermore, after Moore's signature are the initials "D.A.," which Nelson and her attorney say represented were written by Moore because he was district attorney at the time.
But Moore was an assistant district attorney, Jauregui said,
And Moore can't recall ever signing his name with the letters "D.A." after it.
But he had seen it before, Jauregui said, when he was on the bench.
His assistant stamped his signature on papers and then put "D.A." on them, Jauregui said.
That's exactly how the signature appears on the divorce decree that Moore signed, he added.
That's the THIRD Spelling of his assistant.
WHICH ONE IS CORRECT ?
Check out this little fact from
TheCipher Interesting revelation about the signature in the yearbook and where it probably came from.
Turns out Moore was the judge who ruled against Nelson in her divorce case and the signature is exactly how it was on his ruling - explains the D.A. ( which Nelson has ).
Nelson also said she never had contact with him since the "incident"and failed to mention he was the judge in her divorce case.Roy Moore Attorney Demands Gloria Allred Release Original Yearbook, Contends its a Fraud
" ... "D.A." (District Attorney) initials after Moores signature, was recognized by Moore as the initials that his then-assistant, Deborah Adams , used to sign documents. ... "
Heres one more source:
And heres a link to a DIFFERENT SPELLING of that name:
Roy Moore Campaign to Gloria Allred: Release the Evidence to Determine Whether There is Fraud
"
Judge Moore says he cant remember ever signing his name with DA after it.
But he had seen it before.
You know where he had seen it ?
When he was on the bench, his assistant whose initials are capital D. A. Delbra Adams would stamp his signature on a document and put capital D. A.
Thats exactly how this signature appears on the divorce decree that Judge Moore signed dismissing the divorce action of Beverly Nelson.
"
The more I search those different spellings of the assistant's name, the more I'm inclined to believe it was
Delbra Adams.
I get results for a
Court Specialist at State of Alabama Circuit Clerk's Office Cherokee County.
I also get results as a
certified public notary located in Sand Rock, AL.
And ... I get results for
Delbra Adams in Leesburg , AL. with a lot of A.K.A.s
Debra L Adams, Delbra M Adams, Debbie Adams, Debra Ly Adams, Delbra L Adams, Debble Adams, Debra Adams, Delbra Lynn Adams, Delbra L Admas
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posted on
11/18/2017 9:53:10 PM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: NRx
WAKE UP and SMELL THE
"ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS' " STENCH !
Here's an excerpt from Rush Limbaugh's Radio Show:
The Swamp Demands Conformity
Nov 15, 2017
...
RUSH: Heres Mark in Port Townsend wheres Port Townsend ?
Port Townsend what?
CALLER: Thats a little bit west of Seattle.
RUSH: In Washington.
Okay. Great to have you with us.
How you doing, sir ?
CALLER: Im doing great, sir.
I hope youre doing well yourself.
RUSH: I am under siege today, Mark.
Im under siege.
The Drive-By Media is after me because I dared to point out that Roy Moore used to be a Democrat.
CALLER: Thats why you get paid the big bucks.
Im envious of you.
RUSH: (laughing).
CALLER: So the comment I wanted to make was that as a retired law enforcement officer, Jeff Sessions Im speaking as a retired law enforcement officer
Jeff Sessions says he doesnt see any reason to doubt these girls word.
Well, I see a really good reason.
None of these girls have been put under oath and made a sworn statement under penalty of perjury.
And Gloria Allred should be able to tell you that is the first thing you do when you get a client,
you depose them and you get their statement on the record,
and then you go from there.
And if theyre not willing to make a sworn statement, that sounds really fishy to me.
RUSH: I take it you dont believe the women
or you just dont have enough information yet to make a determination ?
CALLER: You dont have enough information to make a determination,
but speaking as an ex-cop, I find it fishy that nobody has made a sworn statement.
And about that yearbook thing,you know, when I was in uniform at a certain time of year
youd get kids walking up to you all the time wanting you to sign their yearbook.Hey, Officer Mark, sign my yearbook.
And I was only a cop.
Can you imagine how politicians get kids wanting doesnt mean you remember all of them.
RUSH: Hang on.
On the yearbook stuff, folks, for those of you who may not be up to speed on this and I doubt there are very many of you
there are allegations that some of these autographs in yearbooks are forged.
There are conservative blog sites claiming to have evidence by virtue of side-by-side comparison
that somebody other than Judge Moore signed some of these things.
This is the first Ive mentioned that.
Im just reacting to you bringing up the yearbooks.
Youre upset with Jeff Sessions.
Hes the attorney general, and he is going ahead and acknowledging thathe believes witnesses before anybodys been put under oath,
and you think thats a little unprofessional, right ?
CALLER: It sounds to me like hes just trying to tread carefully.
RUSH: Well, look, this is politics.
It has its own court, and its not a court of law.
CALLER: But these girls are making public statements
RUSH: They are women.
They are women.
CALLER: Okay, theyre making public statements impugning somebodys honor.
And somebody with responsibility needs to explain to them,if youre gonna besmirch somebody, you gotta put it on the record.
RUSH: No, you dont.
Only in court.
And this is not in court.
This is in politics.
CALLER: I understand its politics,
but Gloria Allred should know what the law is.
RUSH: Im sure she does.
Thats why shes not in court and is instead on TV.
CALLER: I just want to make that point, Rush.
Thank you.
RUSH: Im glad you called, Mark.
Folks, I have to tell you,Im having a little fun with this.
No, dont misunderstand here,
but hes exactly right, but of course that doesnt theres a whole different inertia and movement now that is taking place in the world of politics,
and there is no room for doubt.
I mean,the guy did it, you dont disbelieve the women.
I mean, thats something you must subscribe to now.The women dont lie,except if youre Juanita Broaddrick,
then of course
thats the point.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: I was having fun with the caller and his obvious consternationby confusing what happens in politics with what happens in the law,which is ironic,
because the laws are written by these people.
But what happens thereapparently the law doesnt matter first and foremost.
Find it funny.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Steve in Rochester, Minnesota.
Great to have you with us, sir.
How are you ?
CALLER: Hey, good.
Thanks, Rush. Dittos.
Ive been listening since 1991.
So I was reading through a Fox News story on the various senators,Republican senators and their comments about this whole situation,
and I read read em one after another; there were many.
And I was thinking as I got most of the way through it,this sounds a lot like your media montages, vis-a-vis gravitas,
that I often hear on your show.
The similarities were striking in what they said.
And it was an observation that led me to think thatthis is really a coordinated attack.
And I think that should be the focus, not the he said, she said,
but the fact thatthis guys being attacked by the establishment, big time.
RUSH: Let me put it to you another way in the form of a question.
Interesting observation, by the way, that you,in reading and listening to all of the different people opposing Judge Moore,
theyre all saying the same thing, is that your point ?
Just like when Cheney was mentioned as the potential vice presidential nominee for George W. Bush,
about 85 media people all said,Thats gravitas.
This is to provide gravitas.
They all had that word.
You think the same things happening here with the response to Judge Moore ?
CALLER: Yes.
Exactly.
RUSH: Okay.
So do you think let me just ask you point-blank
do you think that, whether he did it or not, hes being railroaded ?
CALLER: Yes.
RUSH: Interesting.
CALLER: Yep. I think this is a coordinated attack,
and what spurred me to think thiswas your comments yesterday about Mitch McConnell attacking Bannons choice.
And I thoughthow else could you do this ?
Here we are a month away from the election.
RUSH: Let me tell you something.
I dont think theres any doubt here.
When Bannon went public and said thatJudge Moore was the first of many candidates theyre gonna support
in order to oust the Republican leadership,
I dont think theres any question here that McConnells reacting to that.
Let me just ask you this.Have any of you ever,
do you ever remember Mitch McConnell or the Republican leadership ever going after a Democrat
the way theyre going after (interruption)
You dont remember.
You dont remember McConnell ever going after a Democrat the way theyre going after
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posted on
11/18/2017 9:55:15 PM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Kaslin
Hey Matt Walsh you aint as smart as I thought you were. Where are these dozens and dozens of accusers? Youre supposed to be a conservative republican but your braindead remark sounds exactly like something a democrat would say or an establishment NeverTrumper like Shiparo or Bernie Goldberg.
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posted on
11/18/2017 10:22:25 PM PST
by
NKP_Vet
("Man without God descends into madness")
To: NRx
Supporter of the the Turtle and the Swamp, are you?
Moore is our candidate and this bimbo eruption only strengthens my support for him. Only a hopelessly gullible person believes that he is guilty.
I reiterate: Moore is OUR candidate. We rejected your Establishment candidate, Luther Strange.
If he wins and the GOPE attempts to expel him, do you actually expect the people of Alabama to quietly accept being disenfranchised? Expelling Moore over lies would be a declaration of war against the State of Alabama.
Listen and listen good: WE will choose our Senator, not Mitch McConnell or the other Establishment trash.
At this point, no other candidate is acceptable. It will be a cold day in Hell before I vote for any candidate handpicked by McConnell or the National Republican party. Understand?
I’m a conservative, not a Republican.
To: CrimsonTidegirl
I stand with Judge Moore!
To: cmj328
He can cast the right vote, of course, but can he truly fight the Swamp? Will anyone listen to him? I vote; but am convinced that not many listen to me.
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posted on
11/19/2017 3:58:12 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Kaslin
Let’s get this straight. Rapists, pedophiles, and other sexual predators are addicted to what they do, and usually go in the direction of more out of control and less discrete with what they do. If Moore really was that guilty, it’s likely allegations would be coming down from more recently than 40 years ago.
To: Morpheus2009
That is an excellent point.
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posted on
11/19/2017 5:30:35 AM PST
by
Kaslin
(Quid est Veritas?: What Is Truth?)
To: Kaslin
Ivey’s position may very well elect a Democrat to the Senate from AL, which is exactly the opposite of what she wants. She and she alone has the power to postpone or even cancel this Special Election. She may regret her decision to do nothing.
To: Kaslin
There is other ways. Fire Ears Sessions, write him in and he will win hands down because most Alabama Republicans still adore (just threw up a little) him. Then President Trump can maybe, just maybe find a fire eating democrat hating prosecuting madman/woman that does not have a damn thing to recuse themselves from except bathroom breaks that will find the WE THE PEOPLE some gdamn JUSTICE before we pick up our weapons and a ton of ammo and take this country back or LEAVE THE BASTARD high and dry (THAT IS MY VOTE).
T for #TEXIT
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posted on
11/19/2017 7:41:43 AM PST
by
eartick
(Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
To: fortheDeclaration
His accusers will disappear, like they did with Trump. You think with all of the take downs that are happening right now that these accusers are not going to reappear with a vengeance? I think they will and this is pretty much what is on the horizon.
For President Trump's sake and for the sake of America we cannot handle anymore of this male bovine scat before the moral order is restored by force.
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posted on
11/19/2017 7:45:15 AM PST
by
eartick
(Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
To: rightwingcrazy
To: Thumper1960
yes! when did FReepers get so dumbed down when they cannot see the Alinsky Treatment being applied to Moore? Really! Can’t they see the hand of the Enemy at work here? A guy who defends the Ten Commandments does’t belong in the Senate. Really? Were these idiot FReepers born yesterday
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posted on
11/19/2017 9:51:33 AM PST
by
miserare
( Hillary--you lost! Get over it!!)
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