Posted on 10/12/2017 2:58:32 PM PDT by plain talk
The indigenous peoples who populated the New World prior to the arrival of Europeans were arguably even worse than the hated white men who eventually conquered them, in terms of civility and wanton violence toward their enemies.
Indeed, far from things like slavery and genocide being introduced to the continent by Columbus and his successors, such acts of atrocity were already occurring widely among the various warring tribes of natives, who routinely enslaved, tortured, ritualistically slaughtered and even feasted upon their defeated enemies.
That’s right — many indigenous peoples practiced cannibalism upon those they had conquered and oppressed. Is that really what leftists want to celebrate? Don’t answer that.
“Long before the white European knew a North American continent existed, Indians of the Northern Plains were massacring entire villages,” explained George Franklin Feldman, author of the book “Cannibalism, Headhunting and Human Sacrifice in North America: A History Forgotten.”
“And not just killed, but mutilated,” Feldman added. “Hands and feet were cut off, each body’s head was scalped, the remains were left scattered around the village, which was burned.”
Tony Seybert, author of “Slavery and Native Americans in British North America and the United States: 1600 to 1865,” noted that the practice of slavery was already well-established in America prior to its discovery and subsequent settlement by the Europeans.
According to the eyewitness testimony of a Jesuit missionary named Father Barthelemy Vimont, who observed the Iroquois peoples in 1642, captives of the tribe had their fingers or hands cut off, were skinned alive and tortured for hours on end, then were scalped and mutilated in front of everyone.
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Just a couple of posts back, you were hoping that the Indians would have eaten me.
I never wanted any cannibals to put you on the menu.
You probably deserve an ass chewing, but that’s just a figure of speech.
No, you have insulted me beyond reproach.
There is only one way to settle this.
I’ll meet you on Main Street at high noon.
I’ll be packing iron.
So bring any wrinkled shirts you have.
If you kill me, then bury me with my boots on.
My socks will stink up the place if you take my boots off.
Anyone who adopts Western philosophy tends towards the decent.
Lucky they were Cherokee and not Comanche or Kiowa.
They killed my great great grandparents and burned their house. The neighbors saw the fire and found the girls hiding in the burning house.
The US tolerance of abortion is every bit as disgraceful as what the Indiginous people were doing. BUT I am sick and tired of the Indians being treated as sacrosanct.
The inquisition existed in Spain (most known), France, German and the low countries. The inquisition was a Christian institution. The English punishment for treason was to be hung for 5 or so minutes, cut down, then the genitals were cut off and the belly slit open, genitals and entrails burned while the person was still alive. The individuals head was cut off, and displayed on the Tower gate and the body cut into 4 quarters and disposed of at the pleasure of the King. If I remember correctly the English considered themselves Christians. The Native Americans were no more mindless savages than the Europeans were ruthless barbarians. As I said, just people. Capable of great cruelty at times and also capable of great kindness at times
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One of the ancestors in my tree was scalped by indigenous savages and left for dead sometime in the 1600s in Massachusetts. She crawled up into a hollowed oak and hid until two other savages happened by and found her. According to her account, there was some squabbling between the two, and she surmised the older one wanted to kill her but the younger one wanted to help her, and he won out. They took her back to their settlement and nursed her back to health. So, not all savages were bad guys, I guess.
When you have snowflakes who were taught no history on purpose by liberal progressive propagandists
And none of that disputes what I posted. Europeans were quite brutal in their day, and became less so over time, largely due to the influence of Christianity. By the time the USA came into being, the (American and European) culture had evolved to where drawing-and-quartering type punishments were not commonplace anymore, nor any of the other brutal things that Europeans used to do. While at the same time, INDIANS WERE STILL DOING THINGS LIKE THIS. That is the point. Modern leftists like to portray American Indians as peaceful noble people when they were often far more savage than the Americans ever were, or the Europeans had been for centuries.
“According to the eyewitness testimony of a Jesuit missionary named Father Barthelemy Vimont, who observed the Iroquois peoples in 1642,”
The movie Black Robe is based on his memoir.
I remember seeing some of the vases of the Aztec people, and some of the writings of the Mayans. Capture, enslavement, torture, castration, human sacrifice, and murder. I said, “Wow, I thought it was all Disney songs and dancing with wolves till the white man came,” and all the little Lefties gave me dirty looks and didn’t say anything (what could they say?)
The noble and peaceful Indian (Native American) is a myth. Many tribes were a bloody, tourturued and viciously wearing group. Silly history can’t be truthful.
American natives were more advanced than cavemen. But they hadn’t even invented the wheel yet.
The saddest scene in that movie is when the sensitive guy who is constantly made fun of by his own tribe is shown to be ignorant of how you make babies, because everyone conspired to tell him the wrong thing. Everyone is laughing their head off, and the last shot of the scene is of . . .
. . . the chief also laughing.
An entire tribe of cads and bullies but worst of all: no justice.
It gets worse.
But then better, at the end. Guess who arrives.
Actually they had,...for toys.
According to Jared Diamond’s “Guns, Germs, and Steel”, (an excellent read!) ancient Native Mexicans invented wheeled vehicles with axles for use as toys, but not for transport. (Archeologist have found them.)
This is because they lacked domestic animals and the need was never there.
Came across a rather un-p.c. website that said they didn’t need pack animals, they had women! LOL!
You originally said, "by the time the USA came into existence." That was centuries after Europeans settled the Americas. Read about the conquistadors, pretty brutal guys.
One last thing - yes the indians were frozen in time before the Europeans arrived. They hadn't even invented the freaking wheel, and there was no reason to believe they ever would.
You were talking about moral evolution, now you're talking about technological evolution. There were a variety of cultures in the Americas. They weren't all one identical thing.
Some of those cultures were higher on a moral scale than others. That means some kind of moral evolution had happened. Or at least some kind of development or differentiation.
No, the Indians weren't saints or moral paragons, but when you look at what horrors the rest of the world was capable of doing in the 20th century, I wouldn't lightly dismiss them as barbarians.
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