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Will the Second Civil War Turn Violent?
Townhall.com ^ | May 2, 2017 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 05/02/2017 4:32:11 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Sorry Dennis it already has


41 posted on 05/02/2017 5:30:59 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Badboo

The left will win because Republicans including conservatives are spineless traitors. If there were to be a shooting war, more on the left would die, but those on the right will eventually swing from the gallows. Not a reason not to fight it, but there will be no Grant or Sherman this time.


I believe you are mistaken.

These tactics are happening in Leftist strongholds, and are not looked on favorably by the majority of the people there.

In Red states, they are not happening or they are shut down quickly.

Yes, the PC indoctrination must stop. I believe it will. But we have a lot of PC momentum to overcome. About a hundred years worth!


42 posted on 05/02/2017 5:31:04 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Kaslin

I suggest that when the war does go hot, some of the first targets should be the enemedia. Goebbels did as much to advance the Nazi cause as Speer did.


43 posted on 05/02/2017 5:31:54 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Travis McGee

California can be pretty self sustaining


44 posted on 05/02/2017 5:32:36 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: central_va

I thin we are all aware that Lincoln screwed up big time. There will be no war over secession, ever again.


You are looking through rose colored glasses. It would be insane to allow a Marxist state to come into existence on our West coast, taking enormous valuable property with it, and disenfranchising millions of U.S. Citizens in the minority there.

You want to talk problems, consider a Cuba on the U.S. mainland, armed with Chinese missiles. That is where a #Calexit leads.


45 posted on 05/02/2017 5:35:44 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
These tactics by the left are backfiring and reducing their influence.

Really? Is that why Schumer and Pelosi are running Congress and denying President Trump's agenda at every turn?

46 posted on 05/02/2017 5:37:52 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: Kaslin

“But I noted that at least thus far, unlike the First Civil War, this war is not violent.”

Is the author sleeping under a bridge somewhere, not violent, maybe in the military sense.


47 posted on 05/02/2017 5:38:08 AM PDT by Mouton (We have the best elected governments that money can buy)
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To: Kaslin

Like the man said, was is “politics by other means”. What this means is that the default is ALWAYS VIOLENCE. So, now the Rats have crossed that threshold where they can no longer compete effectively through politics the default becomes violence.


48 posted on 05/02/2017 5:44:53 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Mouton

I have to wonder how much of the left’s violence is paid for by people like Soros, who seem to want to provoke a violent response.

And, whether or not Soros also has foreign sources (Europe?)
which also support his efforts to break up the US; or at least,
to destroy the Trump administration (which is anti-globalist).

It’s been done in other countries (ie, the Ukraine); so it wouldn’t surprise me to see this type of subversion attempted here.


49 posted on 05/02/2017 5:45:05 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Kaslin

Unlike the first “ civil war”, this one has one side ( the left) dependent on external funding against all the agencies of federal,state and local government

If our government really wanted to seal this chasm and stop the misery that is being inflicted on ordinary citizens and their property, it would use every office and power to shut off this funding

The fact that it does not is another story and begs the question of whether this is a “ civil war” or just a cynical operation to divert all of us from our actual foe


50 posted on 05/02/2017 5:46:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: TTFlyer
Really? Is that why Schumer and Pelosi are running Congress and denying President Trump's agenda at every turn?

It certainly is part of the Establishment desperately hanging onto power. But they are losing. It takes some time to overturn decades of congresscriters being terrified of the Establishment Media.

Justice Gorsuch paid for the entire Trump Presidency. There are more wins happening every day.

Don't get sucked into the defeatest attitude.

Schumer and Pelosi are not running Congress, at least not without Republican “progressives” help. It is the Establishment that is doing everything it can to stop Trump.

Trump gained some things he wanted in the budget as well, like an extra 15 billion desperately needed for the military.

The left is willing to threaten to burn down the Nation rather than lose power, but they are losing power. It is happening every day.

51 posted on 05/02/2017 5:48:10 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: baltimorepoet

“...and I’d donate EXTRA money if all the California who moved out the past few years to infest other states, had to move back during the exit.”

I would bet that most of those who fled CA due to the state’s hard turn to the left are STRONG CONSERVATIVES looking to find a better life & a safe environment for their family. We did just that 25 years ago with no regrets.

You would actually donate “EXTRA” money to have them returned to that hell-hole?

Wake up.


52 posted on 05/02/2017 5:48:18 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: IronJack

“I suggest that when the war does go hot, some of the first targets should be the enemedia”

Yup. Judges, local pols, community organizers, media personalities, professors. Just a couple of each would send a strong message.


53 posted on 05/02/2017 5:48:25 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Kaslin

We had friends in Kenya who discovered a large cobra living under their front porch.

They did not blow up the house: they killed the snake.

If you want to kill a snake, cut off the head. If you start cutting at the tail, the head will whip around and bite you from another direction while you are focused on the small end.


54 posted on 05/02/2017 5:48:44 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: BwanaNdege
They did not blow up the house: they killed the snake.

I'd cook it up.

Probably be good deep-fried, or as "Cobra Curry".

55 posted on 05/02/2017 5:52:46 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: panaxanax
I would bet that most of those who fled CA due to the state’s hard turn to the left are STRONG CONSERVATIVES looking to find a better life

And you would lose that bet. Look what happened to Oregon, Colorado or any other state invaded by Cali people escaping Cali.

56 posted on 05/02/2017 5:52:59 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: Kaslin
So what is holding us back from fighting the anarchists? They clearly don't mind using violence against innocents to get what they want.

When are we going to respond, en masse and in kind? And where? What body of organized men and women will do it if the police will not?

Where is the militia?

57 posted on 05/02/2017 6:04:00 AM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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To: Kaslin

The right is fighting back as shown by this video of “The battle of Berkley”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0l3Q4x-bAU


58 posted on 05/02/2017 6:06:11 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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To: marktwain
....they(the Left)are losing power. It is happening every day.

My eyes see what they see. Sorry, I ain't buying it.

And if Trump doesn't turn this "budget" around by Oct. 1st, his Presidency is toast.

59 posted on 05/02/2017 6:06:30 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: stockpirate
Good article but the writter is incorrect on one crucial point. The mayors and police chiefs support the goals of the rioters not they are afraid of the press.

Synthesizing Tyranny, by Samuel Francis

Pace W.B. Yeats, mere anarchy is not loosed upon the world. What we enjoy in this country, and to a large extent in most other Western nations, is a bit more complicated than mere anarchy. It is, in fact, the unique achievement of the political genius of the modern era: what, in 1992, I called “anarcho-tyranny,” a kind of Hegelian synthesis of two opposites—anarchy and tyranny.

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The laws that are enforced are either those that extend or entrench the power of the state and its allies and internal elites (the police, the military, the bureaucracies, the teaching and brainwashing class, the tax collectors, the professional social engineers whose business it is to design and implement the revolution, etc.) or else they are the laws that directly punish those recalcitrant and “pathological” elements in society who insist on behaving according to traditional norms—people who do not like to pay taxes, wear seat belts, or deliver their children to the mind-bending therapists who run the public schools; or the people who own and keep firearms, display or even wear the Confederate flag, put up Christmas trees, spank their children, and quote the Constitution or the Bible—not to mention dissident political figures who actually run for office and try to do something about mass immigration by Third World populations. Such dangerous elements are the main targets of the tyranny part of anarcho-tyranny.

For that matter, they also happen to be the main targets of the anarchy part. The laws that do not get enforced are those that protect such elements and their families and communities—laws against immigration itself as well as laws that are supposed to protect ordinary citizens against ordinary criminals. In the revolution, you see, the ordinary criminal, as well as the illegal immigrant, is at least an honorary member, if not a full-fledged officer, of the revolutionary class, like Karl Marx’s proletariat or Herbert Marcuse’s countercultural college students and hippies. By contrast, common hoodlums who commit rapes, robberies, and murders serve as the de facto field troops of the culture war, and it is hardly an accident that there is now a growing movement to extend the vote to those criminals unlucky enough to have landed in prison. Having served the revolutionary elite well, they deserve a promotion.

Anarcho-tyranny, then, is not just a deformation of the traditional system of government nor a symptom of “decadence.” The state today is perfectly capable of enforcing laws against illegal immigration and catching and deporting the illegals who are already here. It is also entirely capable of catching and imprisoning or executing the killers, rapists, and robbers who continue to haunt our streets and neighborhoods, just as it is entirely capable of catching speeders and red-light runners. The conventional conservative explanation of such “failures” on the part of the state, as the result of “weakness of will” or something, does not wash. The state and those who control it clearly have the will to enforce those laws they wish to enforce. The state does not “fail” to enforce the rest; it has no intention of enforcing them nor any desire to do so.

Anarcho-tyranny is entirely deliberate, a calculated transformation of the function of the state from one committed to protecting the law-abiding citizenry to a state that treats the law-abiding citizen as, at best, a social pathology and, at worst, an enemy. Having captured the state apparatus, the anarcho-tyrants are the real hegemonic class in contemporary society, and their function is to formulate and construct the new “culture” of the new order they envision, a culture that rejects as repressive and pathological the traditional culture and civilization.


60 posted on 05/02/2017 6:07:38 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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