Yes, There Could Be Serious Legal Problems if Obama Admin Involved in Illegal Surveillance

LawNewz ^ | 2-4-17 | Robert Barnes

[bigbob]

President Trump recently tweeted claiming that former President Obama wiretapped him during his campaign. One can only imagine how nuts the media would have gone if the roles had been reversed: President Trump wiretapping either Obama or the Clintons, though his DOJ could have authority to do just that given the expansive leaks of intelligence information by Obama and Clinton supporters the last few months. Heck, he could wiretap the media at this point, legally and legitimately, as the sources of these unlawful leaks, for which Obama himself set precedent. Do liberals understand what Pandora’s Box Obama opened up by Obama using the powers of the NSA, CIA and FBI to spy on his political opponents? Even Nixon never did that.

If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials might even face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the stories are correct. We just don’t know at this time.

[WildHighlander57]

O went beyond the limits of what -uas- OK’d, so it was illegal... and he was using it for political purposes; another illegal action.

Illegal all around IMHO.

[eartick]

Yeah but you know what, someone in the WH has to have the cojones to do something about it.

Then someone in the DOJ has to investigate and not recuse themselves from it when the water gets tepid.

Nothing will happen but a bunch of capitalized TWEETS.

[visualops]

Actually I believe it’s because everyone in there has to go someplace, so each person he let out he had to have an agreement with another country to take them. He just couldn’t make that happen often enough, quietly enough, and fast enough to get rid of them all.

[WildHighlander57]

Thank you !!

Results of search; ( archive, archive, archive!)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=&site=&q=FISA+Warrant+Trump+october+2016

[728b]

Democrategate. Hang it on the whole party for decades.

[generally]

I sincerely hope not.

If Trump can put high level people (from both parties) in prison for serious crimes, that might be the single biggest thing he accomplishes as President. Most Americans are tired of watching the elites skate for crimes that any of the rest of us would be doing hard time for.

If Trump gets rid of the corruption, the economy will take care of itself. Most of the illegal alien problem would, too. People obey laws that are enforced. They ignore laws that aren’t. It’s as simple as that.

[tinyowl]

Hmmm was last night -> but I think it’s directly from the same article in this thread ... just further down toward the end. Saw the same notion in another article last night or this morning.

[smileyface]

If she’s living in his house, it may be bad form for Obama to throw her under the bus. I’m already wagering Lynch will be going under the wheels, based on the weird vid she just put out. http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/loretta-lynch-need-more-marching-blood-death-on-streets/

[Herman Ball]

Democrats run all of the Federal Government,90% of the news media and 90-95% of the Bar.

[Fai Mao]

I have no idea as to the veracity

http://www.patriotsagenda.com/breaking-senate-makes-major-announcement-obama/

[AndyJackson]

under 50 USC 1805, is it possible to have a wiretap order issued strictly on the authorization of the Attorney General?

the rules are under 50 USC § 1802 - Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal

In the first place this authorization must be by " the President, through the Attorney General" and requires certified reports (under the oath by the AJ [Loretta Lynch]) to the select committees on Intelligence AND the FISA court.

Moreover the Attorney General must certify in writing under oath that:

there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party;

and that the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) [defining what "minimization means" (e.g. purging all references to any American citizen in any transmission of the information gleaned).

So either this paper trail exists and Obama and Lynch are in real trouble or else it does not in which case the penalties are 10 years and $10,000 in fines per act plus statutory civil liability under secion 810 for damages, statutory damages, costs and attorneys fees [the big ticket item in all of this].

By being quiet and emboldening folks to press on, taking out Flynn and, they hoped, Sessions and Banon and Conway, and Trump himself, the breadth of the civil consipiracy is now pretty wide. A lot of folks should be lawyering up and shutting up.

[Saveourcountry]

Would it be possible for Attorney General Sessions to say that due to recent information that has come forward, that “the president of the Untied States has asked me to reconsider my recusal in this case”, and just undo it? Would that be possible? Please advise.

[Stopthethreat]

So they gambled assuming she would win? Knowing that the wiretapping would eventually come out in the open but with Hillary as prez it would all get buried all guilty parties exonerated and Trump ridiculed as a paranoid sore losing kook?

[AndyJackson]

The issue on which the opposition case flounders is that even if a warrant is obtained from a FISA court, the AG must certify the statement of the proposed minimization procedures 50 U.S. Code § 1804 - Applications for court orders subpart (4)

Per50 U.S. Code § 1801 - Definitions

(h) “Minimization procedures”, with respect to electronic surveillance, means—
(1) specific procedures, which shall be adopted by the Attorney General, that are reasonably designed in light of the purpose and technique of the particular surveillance, to minimize the acquisition and retention, and prohibit the dissemination, of nonpublicly available information concerning unconsenting United States persons consistent with the need of the United States to obtain, produce, and disseminate foreign intelligence information;
(2) procedures that require that nonpublicly available information, which is not foreign intelligence information, as defined in subsection (e)(1), shall not be disseminated in a manner that identifies any United States person, without such person’s consent, unless such person’s identity is necessary to understand foreign intelligence information or assess its importance;
(3) notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), procedures that allow for the retention and dissemination of information that is evidence of a crime which has been, is being, or is about to be committed and that is to be retained or disseminated for law enforcement purposes; and
(4) notwithstanding paragraphs (1), (2), and (3), with respect to any electronic surveillance approved pursuant to section 1802(a) of this title, procedures that require that no contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party shall be disclosed, disseminated, or used for any purpose or retained for longer than 72 hours unless a court order under section 1805 of this title is obtained or unless the Attorney General determines that the information indicates a threat of death or serious bodily harm to any person.

That this information about Trump is circulating means that no such effective minimization procedures were in place.

[Moonlighter]

It’s one of two things:

1. The White House was trying to put a stake through the heart of Trump’s campaign.

2. The Obama DOJ Dept had reason to believe their was reason to tap (see Russian narrative).

Either way, he’ll pass the buck and get off.

[SaraJohnson]

Since Trump’s phone conversations with foreign reps. leaked out of the White House, this might mean NSA is still wire tapping Trump and his people in the White House.

[i_robot73]

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What if the whole warrant process was nothing but a papertrail fraud, before and after it was issued, and a rubber-stamped judge who’s in the crime to begin with?
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That, to me, would be ground to immediately take the whole thing down and prosecute all fraud with prejudice.

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The level and depth of Obama administration corruption we are going to find may be staggering.
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There’s been NO admin. w/o. Course, any admin that grows Fedzilla is, IMO, a corrupt admin vs. Constitution.

[expat2]

Yes, we can only hope. The judges on the FISA must be feeling a lot of heat now so they may ne happy to put the blame on Lynch al.

[Herman Ball]

Yes,just as serious as what the Clinton have done all of these years. America needs to realize the so called Justice System in America is controlled from beginning to end by lawyers and Lawyers always have the last word. Lawyers are 95% controlled by Democrats. THE Federal Employees consist of over 95% of the employees.
Eric Holder defended terrorist before becoming Attorney General and we all know about Loretto Lynch and Bill Clinton,