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Emergency: California’s Oroville Dam Spillway Near Failure, Evacuations Ordered
Breitbart ^ | Feb 12, 2017 | Joel B. Pollak1

Posted on 02/12/2017 4:26:47 PM PST by janetjanet998

Edited on 02/12/2017 9:33:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

The California Department of Water Resources issued a sudden evacuation order shortly before 5 p.m. Sunday for residents near the Oroville Dam in northern California, warning that the dam’s emergency spillway would fail in the next 60 minutes.

The Oroville Dam is the highest in the nation.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: butte; california; dam; dwr; evacuation; lakeoroville; liveoroville; moonbeamcanyon; moonbeammadness; oroville; orovilledam; orovillelive; runaway; spillway; sutter; water; yuba
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To: meyer
I saw that on another site also. They looked like bubbles, but someone pointed out that it was probably the sun reflecting off of the water.

Fish farts.

821 posted on 02/14/2017 11:40:29 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: WildHighlander57

The situation is even more dire. Reliable reports of one week, other reports of two weeks, which jibs with subtle hints dropped at news conference yesterday. Trucks getting the boulders are driving by us.

No food deliveries. There are thousands of us still here that are above the dam. There is one market where it was a controlled madhouse this morning. Folks very nice, but trying to get supplies. Animal feed is a problem.


822 posted on 02/14/2017 11:41:45 AM PST by abigkahuna (How can you be at two places at once when you are nowhere at all?)
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To: pax_et_bonum

Anyone have the live webcam up? Some are saying they are seeing bubbles near the ES?

Page won’t load for me.

https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=29411


823 posted on 02/14/2017 11:44:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

See post 820.

Not bubbles.


824 posted on 02/14/2017 11:51:05 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: pax_et_bonum; maggief; Daniel Ramsey; abb; SE Mom

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=62&v=EqEU2X6yBPk

I checked and it’s either something reflecting off the glass or bubbles...

Give the situation, I think it’s the latter.

David,

Check vid @ 35 seconds to 48 seconds; what’s the two white dots?

Reflection of something, or bubbles?


825 posted on 02/14/2017 11:54:10 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: pax_et_bonum; maggief; Daniel Ramsey; abb; SE Mom

pax_et_bonum wrote:

See post 820.

Not bubbles.


826 posted on 02/14/2017 11:57:11 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: WildHighlander57; maggief; Daniel Ramsey; abb; SE Mom

Oops - I mean post 818.

Looks like it could be bubbles, after all, per post 825 by WildHighlander57.

I can’t tell - it’s tiny on my phone.


827 posted on 02/14/2017 12:05:08 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: pax_et_bonum; WildHighlander57

828 posted on 02/14/2017 12:08:05 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

What is the big point of concern if those actually are bubbles, that the erosion has undermined the concrete lip of the spillway? It would be an odd leak if air is getting through past the pressure of the water rushing out. I’d tend to think bubbles were related to the power plant being offline, the intake(s) are within the dam itself.


829 posted on 02/14/2017 12:13:57 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: pax_et_bonum; maggief; Daniel Ramsey; abb; SE Mom

Maggief, is that pic at the beginning of when they appear?

Being that they are there for about ten seconds, it looks like a reflection as the aircraft/chopper is turning.

Water bubbles would run longer I would think.


830 posted on 02/14/2017 12:17:09 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: maggief

With the dam’s dedication done by (then) Gov Ronald Reagan.


831 posted on 02/14/2017 12:23:09 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: RegulatorCountry

Bubbles could signify ground saturation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWEWVw7TGk4


832 posted on 02/14/2017 12:23:21 PM PST by maggief
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To: WildHighlander57

Unsure.

See also ripples at the 9 minute mark. Could be from the helicopter. ??


833 posted on 02/14/2017 12:29:18 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Thanks, maggie, for the huge photo.

I also watched the video again.

There’s no other glinting on the water from sunlight.

Could these be reflections from helicopter?


834 posted on 02/14/2017 12:33:35 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: WildHighlander57; pax_et_bonum; Daniel Ramsey; abb; SE Mom

Live feed:

https://www.facebook.com/KCRA3/videos/vb.115763581513/10155031720176514/?type=3&theater

KCRA 3 is live now.

LiveCopter 3 surveys the Oroville spillways on Tuesday afternoon.


835 posted on 02/14/2017 12:34:15 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

That image is from a news report posted yesterday, 2/13. If it were a serious issue, I think it would have grown into something more significant by now.

Keeping in mind that I’m not an expert on such things.


836 posted on 02/14/2017 12:37:49 PM PST by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: maggief

There’s been water against a significant portion of the inside face of that earthen dam for the better part of fifty years. A cross section illustration of the dam’s construction that I saw indicated a fairly substantial concrete area running vertically through the middle of the dam also. I don’t think ground saturation is going to be the issue with this dam, bubbles or not. Erosion of spillways has been the issue and if it’s not contained, the top of the dam built onto that hillside will fail. That’s the problem. There’s also some conjecture that such a failure could possibly cascade into failure of the earthen dam itself, but I think that’s just catastrophizing due to overly involved online speculation.


837 posted on 02/14/2017 12:37:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: pax_et_bonum

Those news helicopters are restricted to a much higher altitude.


838 posted on 02/14/2017 12:43:38 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

I still don’t quite understand the dropping of bags in the holes on the far NW side of the parking area and why they went after that area first...

if the lake makes it up that far again the water will just move around those bags and erode another section

at this time I don’t believe the emergency spillway will be used for a while...

the lake will drop to about 865 before inflows will catch up to outflows...and based on the latest model data i don’t believe inflows will be over 110K cfs(current outflows)) for a long period of time

the weather after that looks mostly snow for much of the basin

I am more worried about the main spillway at these flows....its only a matter of time before something interesting happens to it


839 posted on 02/14/2017 12:45:30 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: maggief

The aircraft is pretty high up to be able to cause that.

Plus there would be uniform “prop wash”, which there isn’t.


840 posted on 02/14/2017 12:45:35 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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