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1 posted on 12/16/2016 2:27:06 PM PST by fishtank
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From the article:

” However, we now know that this just isn’t true. Antibiotic-resistant genes existed long before people developed antibiotics.

I first wrote about this more than five years ago, when researchers found bacterial, antibiotic-resistant genes in permafrost alongside mammoth genes.

Obviously, people weren’t making antibiotics when mammoths were alive.

Thus, those genes existed long before human-made antibiotics. Later, I wrote about....”


2 posted on 12/16/2016 2:28:13 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Over time, the “facts” supporting evolution are inevitably revealed to be falsehoods.


3 posted on 12/16/2016 2:36:25 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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“It turns out that some cases of antibiotic resistance in bacteria were not caused by antibiotic-resistant genes. Instead, they were caused by the deterioration of genes that exist for other purposes.”

That’s still a genetic adaptation. The mutation that would seem to have been for some other purpose provided an unexpected advantage for an individual in a given circumstance and that individual was then better suited to have offspring.


4 posted on 12/16/2016 2:37:07 PM PST by MeganC (Hate crime: The heinous act of disagreeing with a liberal.)
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But DINOSAURS!


5 posted on 12/16/2016 2:38:19 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Bring back lords and kings)
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Every time the media comes out with another story about “superbugs” or “antibiotic-resistant, flesh-eating bacteria” it always gives the appearance of being hype, fear tactics and propaganda.


6 posted on 12/16/2016 2:39:24 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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Earlier story this thread is demeaning: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/scientists-watch-bacteria-evolve-antibiotic-resistance


8 posted on 12/16/2016 2:44:59 PM PST by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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A colony of bacteria similar to the one analyzed in the study being discussed. (click for credit) A colony of bacteria similar to the one analyzed in the study being discussed. (click for credit)

Does someone need to be slapped?

10 posted on 12/16/2016 2:56:18 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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Purposeful misanalysis.

None of thew studies say that antibiotic resistance does not occur as previously explained.

The studies merely say that there are strains that are resistant for undetermined reasons which do not seem to be a result of stochastic evolution.

This does NOTHING to undermine TToE. It just says there is more research to be done into bacterial resistance.

Nice use of non sequitur bit not unexpected.


11 posted on 12/16/2016 2:58:20 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Good morning President Trump)
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As a microbiologist who used to study the transfer of antibiotic reistance genes between organisms, the author either had bad teachers or didnt understand what he was being taught. I have never heard that antibiotic resistance evolved due to human development of antibiotics. Antibiotics are naturally occuring molecules that have probably been around for millions of years. A good example is penicillin which is produced by fungi. In a large population of bacteria a few will have mutations that render them resistant to penicillin. When that population is exposed to penicillin those few will survive and reproduce. The mutations resulting in antibiotic resistance are pre-existing, random and spontaneous. They are not induced by the presence of antibiotics.


15 posted on 12/16/2016 3:08:20 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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More “settled science” going by the wayside.


16 posted on 12/16/2016 3:10:31 PM PST by aquila48
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The author of this seems not to know how Alexander Fleming discovered Penicillin.


18 posted on 12/16/2016 3:16:53 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Wow it starts right off with a lie and then proceeds down dumb land from there. Nobody thinks antibiotic resistance only came to exist after antibiotics, we KNOW that those strains became more prevalent after antibiotics because we kept killing the other strains. But obviously resistance to toxins predates specific toxins. Kind of like how brewer’s yeast (highly resistant to alcohol) existed before we started drinking.


19 posted on 12/16/2016 3:18:31 PM PST by discostu (Alright you primative screwheads, listen up!)
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45 posted on 12/16/2016 5:34:14 PM PST by dadfly
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I wonder why Dr. Wile doesn’t mention anything about the positive effect of gene duplications?


63 posted on 12/16/2016 7:34:45 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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Either he heard wrong or was taught wrong

In the gene pool of the bacteria are some individuals with resistance. When all the others are wiped out, the resistant bacteria thrive and fill the vacuum. The bacteria do not evolve to resist the antibiotics, there are mutants in the population already resistant

The premise of the article is fallacious


100 posted on 12/17/2016 10:02:41 AM PST by Thibodeaux (Exile Barack, Exile the Wookie, Exile Malia, Exile Shasha)
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was taught (as definitive fact) that bacteria evolved resistance to antibiotics as a result of the production of antibiotics. This was, of course, undeniable evidence for the fact that new genes can arise through a process of mutation and natural selection.


How old is the author. At least in agriculture we were taught gene expression. There was great genetic diversity. Do they even teach Mendel peas anymore?

Most get the ideas of evolution form Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles......................................


163 posted on 12/19/2016 5:59:57 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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