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Is defeat probable for GOP if Reagan wins nomination?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | March 5, 1980 | Richard J. Cattani

Posted on 03/19/2016 10:44:06 PM PDT by monkapotamus

The nation's Republicans are working against the clock to answer two key questions: Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?

"Reagan is the opponent of choice for Carter," says I. A. Lewis, director of the Los Angeles Times Poll, a point on which most analysts agree. "But Reagan can reach across and cause mischief in the Democratic constituency," Mr. Lewis says. "Reagan appeals to blue collar, working-class voters. He can win Democratic votes..."

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To: monkapotamus

I will go way, way out on a limb here and state that If Reagan were alive and in his prime, and running for the nomination, I would prefer Trump!

Trump has more ooompf than even Reagan had!

Incoming! [ducking and running]

[Reagan signed amnesty into law :-( ]


21 posted on 03/20/2016 12:02:40 AM PDT by Bobalu (I'm spitting on my hands, and hoisting the black flag!)
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To: irishjuggler
The intellectual level of Reagan's leftist opponents was quite a bit higher than the communist thugs in today's media, the whole Democrat Party, and the RINOs in the Republican Party.

The above leftist thugs of today make it impossible to hold a civil dialogue with any of them. The disastrous campaigns of Romney, McCain, Dole, and GHWB, and the presidency of GWB adequately confirm this fact.

Trump is winning because enough voters now understand the kind of sub-human scumbags we are up against.

22 posted on 03/20/2016 12:07:40 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Netz

Yes, the establihment hated Reagan. He was called a “dolt”, “know nothing actor” and such.

It appears to me that the major differences today are the proliferation of information sources we have today and the coarseing of our culture under years of “progressive” barrage.

These make it seem that a Trump or a Cruz is worse than any previous candidate when they are not.


23 posted on 03/20/2016 12:26:15 AM PDT by gartrell bibberts ( White privilege...the harder I work, the more privileged I become.)
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To: irishjuggler

You didn’t know Reagan personally, so you don’t know anything about him except what you saw on tv or read in newspapers. You project what you think onto the man, just as you do with Trump. You don’t know either one of them personally, so knock off the puritan act. For your information, the media hated Reagan as well, and yes, he had some dust ups with the media. Remember, there weren’t computers or cellophones or twitter back in those days.

Trump called Rosie O’Donnell a pig and a dog - and she is. So, what’s wrong with that? She is one sickening pos.

But, hey, live in your dream world where Ted Cruz, not eligible to be president, is so damned perfect. He’s a fake, a phony and a fraud.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/19/arizona-mom-who-lost-son-to-illegal-immigrant-explains-why-she-endorsed-donald-trump-over-ted-cruz/


24 posted on 03/20/2016 12:32:23 AM PDT by Catsrus (I callz 'em as I seez 'em)
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To: monkapotamus

Why is this posted in “Breaking News”? It does not fit the category.


25 posted on 03/20/2016 12:50:29 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: irishjuggler

My God you are ignorant.


26 posted on 03/20/2016 12:54:17 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: w1andsodidwe

Oh yes. You and I remember the same thing. They called him a lunatic, dangerous, will start WW3 blah, blah, BLAH.


27 posted on 03/20/2016 1:03:44 AM PDT by crz
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To: Netz

HELL YA! And guess the name of the family who were at the lead.


28 posted on 03/20/2016 1:04:41 AM PDT by crz
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To: AlanGreenSpam

You Cruzbots are so damn brainwashed. Don’t you ever get tired of fantasyland? Where somehow your stupidity is superior intelligence over all?


29 posted on 03/20/2016 1:10:02 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: monkapotamus

Re: “Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?”

The key word in that sentence is “Conservative.”

In 1980, no one was speculating that old line, traditional Conservatives would refuse to vote for Ronald Reagan.

But in 2016, that is exactly the issue with Trump. Millions and millions of old line, traditional Conservatives, like me, scoff at the idea that Trump has suddenly become a Conservative Republican.

I have no doubt that Trump will attract millions and millions of former Democrat and Independent voters.

But he will attract them for all the wrong reasons - because he’s not a Conservative.


30 posted on 03/20/2016 1:21:52 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Netz

Did Reagan have the Republican party actively working against him at that time?

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Also look at what the GOPe has done since Reagan left office.

Reagan had a winning policies.


31 posted on 03/20/2016 1:31:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: irishjuggler

Sure, Trump is no Reagan. They’re obviously very different candidates.

But that’s not the point. The point is that Trump is getting the support of the same type of cross-party voter coalitions that Reagan did - coalitions that gave Reagan two landslide victories. And that’s the only way a Republican can win against Hillary.

Cruz? As a Christian conservative he gets the majority of dyed-in-wool Republicans in closed caucuses here and there. There’s no way that he will be able to pull large numbers of Hillary voters away from her and into his camp like Trump is doing.

And after all, the goal here is to beat Hillary, isn’t it?


32 posted on 03/20/2016 1:40:29 AM PDT by EarlyBird (This space for rent)
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To: gartrell bibberts

Agreed. Some would say that it is Trump himself that is “ coarseing of our culture”, yet he is a reaction to it.


33 posted on 03/20/2016 1:48:44 AM PDT by Netz
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To: monkapotamus

Facts are stubborn things. And Trump is no Reagan.

In fact, Trump was one of those who was against Reagan.

Well in to Reagan’s second term Trump called Reagan someone who talked a good game, but didn’t deliver. (Boy was Trump ever wrong).

Trump chose Jimmy Carter over Reagan (Carter returned the favor) and Romney in 2012. His judgement is awfully suspect.


Pg 60-61 Art of the Deal (1987)

But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.

I think of Jimmy Carter. After he lost the election to Ronald Reagan, Carter came to see me in my office. He told me he was seeking contributions to the Jimmy Carter library. I asked how much he had in mind. And he said, “Donald I would be very appreciative if you contributed 5 million dollars.”

I was dumbfounded. I didn’t even answer him.

But that experience also taught me something. Until then, I never understood how Jimmy Carter became president. The answer is that as poorly qualified as he was for the job, Jimmy Carter had the nerve, the guts, the balls, to ask for something extraordinary. That ability above all helped him get elected president. But then, of course, the American people caught on pretty quickly that Carter couldn’t do the job, and he lost in a landslide when he ran for reelection.

Ronald Reagan is another example. He is so smooth and so effective a performer that he completely won over the American people. Only now, nearly seven years later, are people beginning to question whether there’s anything beneath that smile.

I see the same thing in my business, which is full of people who talk a good game but don’t deliver

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ye6e_VxM00kC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=people+who+talk+a+good+game+and+don’t+deliver&source=bl&ots=6YvTqzMKFk&sig=r5-W-YTIoR2PPsSNHKp1T-lOc4M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-n8O5kuTKAhUE5SYKHZTyD-MQ6AEIIDAC#v=onepage&q=people%20who%20talk%20a%20good%20game%20and%20don’t%20deliver&f=false


34 posted on 03/20/2016 1:51:10 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Deja vu is right!

Austin Ranney, American Enterprises Institute authority on the US election system, sees only difficult scenarios ahead for a late Ford entry into the race. First, if Mr. Reagan takes perhaps 40 percent of the delegates to the convention , then "theoretically there could be a brokered convention with Bush and [Sen. Howard H.] Baker throwing support to Ford."

...

Primary deadlines are fast closing for Mr. Ford. Secretaries of state in many remaining primary states can still put his name on the ballot, even though candidate filing deadlines have passed. But even for that route, March holds all the time he has. His political home state Michigan ballot will be set March 21, California's March 31.

Another Ford option, according to Mr. Field: Skip the primaries but go on a national speakign tour, attacking President Carter, saying "I want to offer a choice," and hope the other candidates are viable enough to prevent a Reagan first ballot win at the July Republican convention in Detroit.

35 posted on 03/20/2016 1:56:33 AM PDT by EarlyBird (This space for rent)
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To: irishjuggler

“My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”

...and the MSM goes nuts


36 posted on 03/20/2016 2:34:13 AM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: monkapotamus

Nice find!!


37 posted on 03/20/2016 3:48:10 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper (Just say no to HRC)
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To: irishjuggler
I remember 1980. Reagan was a gentleman, a class act and a principled conservative.
The Donald is rude, crude, classless and is neither principled nor conservative.
Times have changed, but Know Your Audience hasn't.


In the 80's, we still had manners.
Today; we have short tempers and crassness.

In the 80's, we had boxing - with Queensbury rules.
Today; we have cage fighting.

In the 80's, we had clean cut Preppies.
Today; we have shredded jeans and tats galore .

In the 80's, we had Octopussy.
Today; we have Caitlyn.


Donald is a PERFECT fit for today.

38 posted on 03/20/2016 4:10:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Catsrus

Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

Mexico; you’re gonna pay for this wall!


39 posted on 03/20/2016 4:12:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: monkapotamus

There is an obvious attempt to create an equivalence between Reagan & Trump.

TRUMP = REAGAN? -— NOT to the dwindling number of us who are retaining their rationality.

But elsewhere the delusions grow.


40 posted on 03/20/2016 4:12:35 AM PDT by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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