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Is defeat probable for GOP if Reagan wins nomination?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | March 5, 1980 | Richard J. Cattani

Posted on 03/19/2016 10:44:06 PM PDT by monkapotamus

The nation's Republicans are working against the clock to answer two key questions: Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?

"Reagan is the opponent of choice for Carter," says I. A. Lewis, director of the Los Angeles Times Poll, a point on which most analysts agree. "But Reagan can reach across and cause mischief in the Democratic constituency," Mr. Lewis says. "Reagan appeals to blue collar, working-class voters. He can win Democratic votes..."

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I still remember the ‘76 Convention like it was yesterday. The Reagan delegates made a valiant effort to unseat Ford as the nominee but came up short. The convention delegates voted. Ford won. Afterwards, Ronald Reagan stepped to the microphone and gave an impassioned speech. At the conclusion, every delegate in that convention hall realized they had nominated the wrong man.


141 posted on 03/20/2016 5:55:58 PM PDT by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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To: COBOL2Java
Well into Trump's second term, ifinnegan, with him doing everything he said he was going to do, will you admit you were wrong? Or will you just slink away, never to be heard again in Free Republic?

I'll still be here, you can count on it. When Trump expedites illegals back into the US, I'll still be here. When Trump takes us a step further into socialized medicine with central government payouts for localized individual health care costs, I'll still be here. When Trump partners with Bernie Sanders to implement the same style of protectionism that kept us in the Great Depression for a decade, I'll still be here. You see, I have actually gotten past the "I'll build a wall" part and listened to the rest of what Donald Trump has had to say. And sadly, there is nothing Conservative about it.

142 posted on 03/20/2016 6:02:49 PM PDT by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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To: meadsjn

News flash! Subhuman scumbags were compared to communist protesters in a terrible insult to subhuman scumbags everywhere.


143 posted on 03/20/2016 6:12:23 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: amnestynone

Log Cabin...


144 posted on 03/20/2016 6:45:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: guitarist
Are you comparing Trump to Reagan?

Absolutely. Reagan was the only one who could win and save this country at the time. Now we are even more dire straits and Trump is the only one who can win and get this country back. I can't imagine any other candidate actually debating hiLIARy, Cruz/Kasich/Romney will be under orders to lay off her. She will win with no problem. Political correctness will not allow anyone to say a word about the server, the emails, the foundation, Benghazi, etc. Only Trump can do it. Now is not the time for high-minded moral stances, because the other side will defeat us.

145 posted on 03/20/2016 6:51:48 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (TRUMP. YES! Bye Bye hiLIARy.)
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To: AlanGreenSpam

Reagan ran during a time when people valued those properties. Trump is running in a time when your children and grandchildren were never taught those properties.

Different times, different campaigns. Trump is doing fine...and winning.


146 posted on 03/20/2016 6:54:47 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: w1andsodidwe

Trump can’t hold a candle to Reagan - not as a candidate, not as a man. Not even close.


147 posted on 03/20/2016 6:54:53 PM PDT by diamond6 ("I'm going to do EXACTLY what I told you I'm going to do!" - Ted Cruz)
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To: House Atreides
Another illusion is comparing 1980 America with that of 2016. Two different countries with massively different demographic structures. The electorate in 1980 was overwhelmingly white. Not so today, particularly in several of the largest states. This is important because whites are the only real "swing voters". GOP wins in California and NY were possible in 1980. Structurally impossible today.

There's very little margin left for the GOP and probably no slack available for a Reagan-like upward swing.

148 posted on 03/20/2016 6:54:55 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Islamic Immigration is Treason.)
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To: diamond6

The point of an election is to actually be able to win. Cruz cannot win. Cruz is like Obama. A first term senator with no record that I can find of executive experience.


149 posted on 03/20/2016 7:12:27 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (TRUMP. YES! Bye Bye hiLIARy.)
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To: w1andsodidwe

So in other words, Trump is like Romney.


150 posted on 03/20/2016 7:17:47 PM PDT by diamond6 ("I'm going to do EXACTLY what I told you I'm going to do!" - Ted Cruz)
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To: MGunny
Trump just as much of a gentleman as Reagan was...

Well, sir, then I guess that you and I have vastly different definitions of 'gentleman.' I have zero memory of Ronald Reagan mocking people for their physical disabilities or looks. I have zero memory of Ronald Reagan bragging about his sexual conquests or prowess. I have zero memory of Ronald Reagan making ridiculous boasts like Trump who constantly declares that everything about himself is terrific (e.g., he's the smartest guy, the richest guy, the greatest golfer, the guy with the best poll numbers, the guy who has read the Bible more than anyone else, etc.). I don't think that anyone since a young Cassius Clay has been so intent on declaring himself "The Greatest."

William F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan were great friends, and Buckley constantly praised and defended Reagan. On the other hand, Buckley accurately nailed Trump 15 years ago as a vain demagogue :

Look for the narcissist. The most obvious target in today’s lineup is, of course, Donald Trump. When he looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But whatever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something. So what does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.
151 posted on 03/20/2016 7:57:13 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler

Sounds like you have been listening too much to Democrat talking points. You probably think that Trump’s supporters beat up people at rallies too. That’s too bad.


152 posted on 03/20/2016 7:59:49 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Delegates So Far: Trump (678); Cruz (423); Kasich (143)
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To: SamAdams76
Sounds like you have been listening too much to Democrat talking points.

Guilty as charged. I have been listening to talking points from famous Democrats like Tom Sowell, Brent Bozell, George Will, Ed Meese, David Limbaugh, Cal Thomas, etc. etc. /s

Actually, sir, it sounds like you're the one who has been snowed by the talking points of a standard-issue Democrat con man... one with the initials DJT.
153 posted on 03/20/2016 8:06:59 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler
George Will?

You really have gone over to the dark side.

154 posted on 03/20/2016 8:08:50 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Delegates So Far: Trump (678); Cruz (423); Kasich (143)
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To: SamAdams76

I mention Will because he was a strong supporter and friend of Reagan. Heck, George Will routinely helped Reagan prepare for debates. Isn’t it curious that so many of Reagan’s 1980s allies—folks who knew Reagan personally— despise Trump? Folks who think that Trump is Reagan 2.0 are clueless and delusional. Trump is the Anti-Reagan.


155 posted on 03/20/2016 8:50:34 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: diamond6

What did Romney win? He had no passion. He allowed the establishment to convince him not to debate after the first one. He lost, I am not investing in another loser. I need someone with passion, who can win. That is Trump. No he is not perfect, but he is who we need right now.


156 posted on 03/20/2016 8:53:21 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (TRUMP. YES! Bye Bye hiLIARy.)
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To: w1andsodidwe

You sound just like the establishment - before Romney went down in flames.

You’re right Donnie is not perfect. That’s because he’s a RINO.

I’m not going to vote for a RINO like Trump in the primaries, any more than I did for Romney in 2012.

Why are you settling for a RINO now?


157 posted on 03/20/2016 9:21:01 PM PDT by diamond6 ("I'm going to do EXACTLY what I told you I'm going to do!" - Ted Cruz)
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To: monkapotamus

Great points. 1980, however, was not “red and blue state America”.like it is today. A conservative could win California in 1980. No way today. Hmm I wonder why??? illegals maybe????

The only “blue” states trump has a chance in are Michigan and Wisconsin; perhaps PA. This is the pure battleground where trump needs to spend all of his time,

He takes 2 of these 3, he wins.


158 posted on 03/20/2016 9:22:28 PM PDT by mrsixpack36
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To: irishjuggler

“Folks who think that Trump is Reagan 2.0 are clueless and delusional. Trump is the Anti-Reagan.”

Makes you wonder if these freepers were even of voting age and can recall what Reagan was really like, doesn’t it?

Trump is nothing like Reagan. They argue all they want about them both being liberal Democrats, but Reagan started his transformation much longer before he ran for President and stuck with his principles throughout. Furthermore, never once did I ever see Reagan go backward on a conservative position he took a stand on, let alone change his position during the same debate or even the same week of a campaign.

There is someone who Trump is very much alike though. He was a extremely wealthy businessman who held all kinds of prior liberal positions. And like Trump, the consensus was that he had to be nominated because supposedly he would win and a conservative candidate could not.

Yes. Trump is just like Romney.

Why Trump-pets would not even vote for Romney in the general election but would vote for this testerone-filled RINO as the Republican nominee is beyond me.


159 posted on 03/20/2016 9:32:04 PM PDT by diamond6 ("I'm going to do EXACTLY what I told you I'm going to do!" - Ted Cruz)
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To: Bird Jenkins

Perhaps you missed the last sentence in my post.....


160 posted on 03/21/2016 1:44:14 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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