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Trump: Metaphor For American Conservatism
Truth Based Logic ^ | February 26, 2016 | William Flax

Posted on 02/26/2016 12:49:01 PM PST by Ohioan

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To: Slyfox

I guess he’s supposed to just stand there and take the abuse?


21 posted on 02/26/2016 1:23:08 PM PST by RC one (I will vote for the Republican nominee period. end of story.)
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To: Slyfox

“I don’t think we would ever get our country back if we gave a bully the bully pulpit that was designed as a tool of moral authority and then use it primarily to force his will on us.”

We already lost our country to a bully who did exactly that. We’re willing to try just about anything to get it back.


22 posted on 02/26/2016 1:24:05 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Pelham
Thank you for the favorable comment. No, nothing will slow down the pure hate that has been unleashed by those who cannot accept Donald Trump's success in fighting to preserve something of the America that was until recently, the most successful people on the earth.

This weekend could be very very ugly.

23 posted on 02/26/2016 1:24:12 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
Trump is on record, you say.

Which record? The one he has now? Or the one he had one year ago? Or the one he had ten years ago?

It is not a wild charge to call him a tyrant. I have read all the biographies of Plutarch and I have more than a bit of hesitation when it comes to having Trump as leader of the United States.

When our Founders created our Constitutional Representative Republic they specifically feared a tyrant like those that they read about in Plutarch.

The one thing they noted as being a basic alarm is when a person needs to be flattered - needs to always have people say nice things about him.

Not good.

You have to be very careful when giving any man that much power.

24 posted on 02/26/2016 1:27:36 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: Ohioan

not bad. for me conservatism is a simplified derivative of Jesus’ teachings without it’s Faith base.

that being said, you’re on target with your comments on trump and PC.

i would add that there is not just the garden variety of leftist pc that trump is purposefully skewering. he is also directing his “bully” rhetoric to the rightist pc that pervades the gope media, cronies and politicians as well.

this rightist pc (e.g., you must support the nominee of the gope right or wrong, speak no evil of any one in the gope, your party comes first, you must choose the lesser evil (by our defintion), or you gotta vote gope or you’re voting dem by ommission, etc., etc.) by gopers even right here on this site.


25 posted on 02/26/2016 1:29:14 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Ohioan

Tiger Woods and Bill Cosby were wealthy men too. I don’t have much sympathy for Donald Trump in this regard.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3398166/posts


26 posted on 02/26/2016 1:31:35 PM PST by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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To: Ohioan

Trump is not a Conservative. Not even close. His name will never be a metaphor for Conservatism.


27 posted on 02/26/2016 1:37:12 PM PST by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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To: Slyfox

The record that matters, for the reasons I cite in the article, is what he is saying in this landmark campaign. His very pride, that everyone acknowledges, make it extremely unlikely he will repudiate his commitments. He will be remembered for this campaign, even more than he will be remembered for his great buildings.


28 posted on 02/26/2016 1:38:29 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

>>> If you read my article, you will see that he is a Conservative. That does not mean that he has rejected all non-Conservative views, but he is moving in that direction. But read the article on the link, before you reject it! <<<

I did read the article. He’s being praised for amassing wealth which somehow magically gives him his conservative credibility.

I guess that’s the part that I don’t understand because by that standard George Soros suddenly becomes an ultra-conservative extreme right-winger.


29 posted on 02/26/2016 1:43:29 PM PST by JJ_Folderol
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To: dadfly
Some of the GOP hacks are hardly to the right of those Democratic hacks backing Mrs. Clinton. They hew to the same internationalist pursuits; the same putting special interests ahead of any sense of their constituents as unique people, deserving respect and consideration, as opposed to overseas interests, etc..

The "politically correct" cult--that are the enforcers, inter alia of a taboo on an historic American identification in the land of the Americans; have basically suppressed many of the once sacred values of rooted Americans. That is not "right wing." The profits over countrymen claque are basically a branch of the Left, in my opinion.

30 posted on 02/26/2016 1:46:28 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Hoodat

I stand by my article. I have been observing, working with and developing my fellow Conservatives for over sixty years. Trump is a natural Conservative. On the precise issues that matter, he is a work in progress. But he is by nature a Conservative.


31 posted on 02/26/2016 1:48:59 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: JJ_Folderol
Not for amassing wealth; but building from the ground up, great structures on sound foundations. That is a precise metaphor for American Conservatism. Our values, unlike those that originated in the clouds--unlike those in fantasies--in other lands & in leftwing movements, here;--our values are the direct result of the Founders building new societies, literally from the ground up, step by step.

It was that understanding of the very nature of what works naturally, that led to the theory in the Declaration; that led to the apportionment of power in the Constitution.

32 posted on 02/26/2016 1:55:36 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

understood. i’m merely employing the label “right” the way the gope uses it though. they call themselves the right. they call themselves “conservative.”

then in terms of conservatism, for me the gope and the dems are just flip sides of the same “leftist coin” if you will.

but, i’d advise you not to get too tied down in labels. they too are a pc snare on the left and “right.” the term “right” is a tool of the leftist gopes, they often use it subtly to bludgeon true conservatives into lock step with their gop party line.


33 posted on 02/26/2016 1:56:50 PM PST by dadfly
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To: dadfly

Won’t argue with your point. I cringe when the phony establishment types insult our intelligence, by claiming to be Conservative, when they are advocating the exact opposite of traditional American values.


34 posted on 02/26/2016 1:58:48 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
Trump is a natural Conservative. On the precise issues that matter, he is a work in progress. But he is by nature a Conservative.

This doesn't even make any sense. You repeat your conclusion twice, yet your only premise actually contradicts that conclusion. On the issues that matter, you confess that he is a work in progress (meaning that he is not yet fully conservative on the issue that matter). Have you ever considered that if Trump was a natural Conservative, then by definition he wouldn't still be working on becoming one?

As for the issues that matter, here is what Trump proposes:

Government-paid health care
Higher tax rates for hedge fund managers
Continued praise for Planned Parenthood
Expedite the return of illegals back into the US.

Should I assume that these are some of the 'work-in-progress' issues you were referring to? Because we currently have a candidate who is already Conservative on these now. So why settle for a candidate who still talks like a Democrat?

35 posted on 02/26/2016 2:06:21 PM PST by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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To: Ohioan

No insult intended but it looks to me that you may be crossing metaphor with reality.


36 posted on 02/26/2016 2:07:55 PM PST by JJ_Folderol
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To: Hoodat

Conservative personalities do not start life with any positions on contemporary issues. Read my article, accept it or reject its hypothesis. But do not pretend to find contradictions in what you have not read.


37 posted on 02/26/2016 2:09:26 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: JJ_Folderol

No insult taken! You are close to reading my intention. The idea is to draw attention to a key fact, drawn from many years of experience as to the personalities that are potentially on our side; and why we should embrace the Donald experience as a key breakthrough.


38 posted on 02/26/2016 2:13:29 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Hoodat

the scales, the scales that cover your eyes, prevent you from discerning the breadth of American conservatism


39 posted on 02/26/2016 2:13:45 PM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: Ohioan

yes, they’ve really got us tied up in knots don’t they? one thing i keep coming back to though about conservatism, as in your post, and that is that we are individuals, we are unique, we value freedom and the true benefits of individual thought over the collective. i think that’s what they are most trying to beat out of us. they think it makes us weak, but they are wrong.

thx brother, and thx for your thoughtful post. may God bless.


40 posted on 02/26/2016 2:19:25 PM PST by dadfly
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